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barny95:
take it easy with ur self brother, ur comment shows u have not been following my post. Am ur Christian brother not an hypocrite
The Bible does not Trinity and I don't. Blessings

Lol. I don't think the reference was dircted at you. The Hypocrite i see here is the so called DoctorAlien.

If so, Am sorry then.

DoctorAlien:


Jesus is the true GOD. There is nothing the true GOD is entitled to that He isn't entitled to.

Your colleague barny95 agreed that some versions translate worship as "obeisance." What if we said "Nebuchadnezzar fell before Daniel and did obeisance"? We know that Nebuchadnezzar knew who worship belongs to.

The Bible says no one is righteous, yet the Bible calls Job a perfect man(Job 1:1). Doesn't make sense? The things of GOD are spiritually discerned.

The above is a lie, you are just expressing your personal opinion and your personal opinion cannot give anyone eternal life.

Keep deceiving yourself.

DoctorAlien:
May I make it known that I do not want a GOD that I can totally explain. If I am able to totally explain Him, then He ceases to be GOD. Job 11:7-9 agrees with me.

When I get to Heaven by GOD's grace, I will sit face to face with Him and ask all my questions.(1 Cor. 13:12).

The subject of our study in Heaven throughout eternity will be "GOD". For now, I'm contented with trusting and obeying Him.

Who told you that is what those going to heaven will do?

You are trying to digress after all your blunders.

This your useless digression can only deceive your type that never had real love for the truth and for Yahweh.

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DoctorAlien:


Jesus is One with His Father in character, will and in purpose. There is no difference in anyway between them. The fact that He came to earth was a mutual agreement between Him and His Father. He agreed to be separated from His Father, and to be humiliated and brought low.

At least you agree they are different persons.

Error.

DoctorAlien:


There is a billion and one proofs to show that Jesus is the true GOD. You still haven't pointed out an attribute of the true GOD that Jesus does not have.

Death had no power over Jesus, because He was GOD. He was the One who subjected Himself to death as a sacrifice for sin.

Sharaaap! HYPOCRITE!

Jesus is not the TRUE God, he said himself at John 17:3:

3. This is life eternal that they know you the ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent.

DoctorAlien:


But Jesus made it clear in Jn. 10:18 that He was the one who gave His life. It wasn't the Roman soldiers who took His life. He gave it. He could have held it back. But He gave it.

Sharrraaaaap!

Hypocrite!

Stop lying, i know it is hard for you to stop lying.

You have spOken so many lies on this thread.

Just sharap! Jesus died. If he did not die, how did he pay for the ransom of Adam?

Just keep QUITE! Enough of the disgraceful lies.

DoctorAlien:


Daniel did not claim the worship that belongs to GOD. And Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged GOD. He even knew that it was GOD who gave the interpretation to Daniel. So, even Nebuchadnezzar knew who worship belongs to. Read Daniel 3:28-29.

But your earlier prove of Jesus being almighty God was that Jesus accepted worship right?

HYPOCRITE

This is a so called Christian speaking from both side of his mouth:

DoctorAlien:


I'm very sure Daniel never posed as GOD, or demanded worship. Nebuchadnezzar fell before Daniel in awe and wonder. Daniel explained to him that the source of the interpretation he gave was GOD. Daniel made it clear beyond doubt that GOD is the source of all He knows and was going to say. So, Nebuchadnezzar worshipping Daniel means he acknowledged the Spirit in Daniel.

Notice that Nebuchadnezzar acknowledged GOD in v.47 of Daniel 2.

People worshipped and even tried to sacrifice to Paul and Barnabas at Lystra, but they prevented the people. They pointed to GOD, who alone deserves worship.

You are a very big HYPOCRITE

John 12:49 NIV

49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken.

Meanwhile, He was shown this:

Peacefullove:


if God forbid worship to anything but himself then thats another bible contradiction, DANIEL accept worship .

Then King Nebuchadnezzar threw himself down before Daniel and worshiped him Daniel 2 vs 46

Daniel = God ? or how u wan take explain this one . mtcheew

Emusan:


I don't like people deliberately leave point out of selfish interest and begin to address another point.

Let's start again!

What did Jehovah send into Mary?

Jehovah sent his son into Mary. That is what the bible says.

Go up come down, that is what that matters. attempting to prove vodo out of this is not reasonable.

While Jesus was in the worm of Mary, he was alive. he was not dead. if you see other thing from that simple statement, it is your mind that is responsible for that.

God can make Christ to be small or to be an Embryo. As long Christ was not dead in the worm of Mary, that is what that matters. It was Christ. And it was a miracle.

Emusan:


@bold, Jesus said your REWARD IS GREAT IN HEAVEN, please who will help those JWs who have inherited the Earth collect their reward in HEAVEN

Yeye Emusen, LOL.

You made me laugh the first time from your post.

Really? Who will help them collect their reward in heaven?

It will be via fund transfer. Lol.

Is everlasting life on earth not also a reward? Rev 21:4. There shall be no more death. In fact, for that reward of living where there will be no more death is the ultimate reason for my existence, Without that hope, life is purely vain.

Rats and man would have strive the same.

I was waiting for this from you, i was so grateful that you got this clearly spelt out.

it may not benefit those you are talking to right now on the thread, but, to other honest hearted individuals reading this now or later, it will be very obvious to them what the truth is as far as the Bible is concern.

The deceit and dead conscience in people is very deep.

well done.

Jozzy4:

you just jump into an ocean you have no knowledge about .

My aim of bringing up this verse is to let you know your question regarding if Jesus is a true or false god is very wrong .


Jesus reffered to his Father as God , saying only his Father is good ... your allegation that Father doesnt appear in this verse hold no water until you can tell me who Jesus called God at john 14:1 since father doesnt appear there too !


now the context indicates that Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of the word . that doesnt make him a sinner or a bad person either . in this case he is a good person , but not good in the complete sense of the word , Only the Father reserve that !

applying this to the earlier question regarding Jesus being a true or false god means ONLY Jehovah his Father is the only True God . - John 17:3

every other god are either false or just called God because they are mighty ones e.g God making moses God , God is not making a false god neither is Moses the True God . he is simply a "mighty one" this is where Jesus is been categorized.

Emusan:


No it's not, we're following what the scripture says here that's why God inspired people to pen something down about this matter.



So, how does your organization know that God and Angels have a BODY?



Don't leave Holy Spirit out...we all know this.



Yes agree including Holy Spirit.



This is where we're going, when Angels materialized as humans this doesn't MEANING THEY'RE NO MORE AN ANGEL what simply happened was that THEIR NATURE which is spiritual one only COVERED BY HUMAN NATURE that can be seen by human. So, this make them to both be seen as Angel and Human at the same time. Because I'm 100% sure, you can't tell me that they're only 100% of human at that particular time their no more an Angel. Could this be the same in the case of Jesus Christ?

NOTE: not that their life was removed while in heaven and put in human nature but the whole BEING was CLOTHED with human nature!



You're still talking about TRANSFERING LIFE. Please, the examples of Angels you gave does God transfer their life before they could materialized human nature or their being was clothed with human nature.

Angel materialized in human nature isn't that a miracle too?

Why cant you see that there is a difference between Materializing and being given birth to by a woman?

JW teach that Jesus was raised as a spirit person from the dead, when he materialized to appear to his disciples, did they denied that after his materializing that he was no longer a spirit person? NO

Hence, this are two different things you are missing together, there is a difference between Being given birth to by a woman and a spirit materializing.

Besides, Jesus paid the ransom for a physical human person and not that of a spirit person. It makes no sense to say a spirit person was used to pay the ransom of a Human, e no match. It is called "ransom". Supreme Justice was at play, not 419(obtain by trick).

Emusan:


The Father called His Son God, yes or no? Heb 1:8

Even Presidents and head of states/Lords have category. No?

SMH.

I love the below.

goody1shoe73:
All you postulated My Friend, remains in the realm of conjecture since we can't and haven't seen spirits. Spirits are higher forms of life,hence we can't see them. God and Jesus and the angels even the demons and Satan possess personalities. They are not impersonal beings. There are examples where angels materialized as humans, are u saying their spirit bodies lay in state in the heavens?
The nature of the transference of Jesus life was an unprecedented miracle. It's purpose was to shield Him from inherited sin.

Emusan:


As if it makes any sense.

Such comment as yours above means that you are an Arrogant person, I supposed you don't know that. We know that the persons dancing seldom sees their backs. However, i should ignore such excesses, I never expected better from you anyway. Atleast, for the benefit of others reading.

Emusan:


So after the Adamic sins that Jesus paid for, what about every day to day sins we committed?

Those that will survive Armageddon are those that followed Christ. They would have gotten baptized for a cleaned standing following Christ example.

They are not expected to continue going back to their vomit by continuing in sins, however, "if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper in Christ Jesus". Jesus the mediator between Man and Yahweh.

All repentant ones enjoys the ransom benefit of Christ. When the persons stops committing deliberate sins, The persons continue enjoying the benefit of the ransom sacrifice and continues having a clean standing with Yahweh.

Such a person stands the chance of Survival into God's Kingdom.

Emusan:


What about day to day sins people committed?

Humans are not perfect. The bible says, if anyone is able to Bridle his tongue, this one is a perfect man. Meanwhile, we cannot, since we are not perfect. Such minor errors, our creator knows we are still imperfect and has made room for humans since he knows it will only take a perfect man to be able to Bridle their tongue.

Unrepentant sinners will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

In all, we enjoy a kindness we do not really deserve from Yahweh because of Jesus, Undeserved Kindness, some call that 'Grace'.

Emusan:


Does it mean people don't commit sin anymore?

Humans are still imperfect, hence, they still commit sins, not deliberately continuing in sin. Yahweh and his son searches the heart and they cannot be deceived.

Emusan:


So, those who will survive the Armageddon when will their own sins be forgiven or Jehovah will just overlook their sin and allow them to into the new earth or these people don't have anything like personal sins

From what i have written above, you are supposed to have gotten the answer to this question since i have mention what the exercising of faith in Jesus and getting baptized lead to = A clean standing.

What do you think Baptism stands for and what does it achieve?

Emusan:


At least you're getting close, your believe is that some JWs will survive the Armageddon and after the Armageddon the new life on earth will begin. The people who will survive this Armageddon don't they have any sin or are they 100% righteous

I wish to belief that i have stated what the bible says on this subject above. followers of Christ should not continue in sin, however, if anyone should commit a sin, they have a helper with the father, the man Christ Jesus.

Emusan:

Please, kindly explain how these people will into the new earth without dying without a single sin.

Revelation 7:13,14: There says that those that survived have washed their ropes and made it white in the Blood of the LAMB.

CHRIST RANSOM MADE THEM CLEAN.

Emusan:

But some people will still never experience death, how does this people sin is forgiven

See the above, if they had accepted Christ they would have followed his examples and do the needful.

Peace

Anas09:

What does eternal life mean to a JW?

Eternity encomes both past and future. Since humans have a beginning, Saying that humans are giving Eternity makes no sense.

Peace

Beautifully done.

dolphinheart:

there are many Faithfull Christians who died while God could have helped them to survive the cause of their dead. so dying should not be an issue cus You have been promised resurrection!, if you claim to have that faith, live by it!
I will not break God's law so that someone will live for a few more years when the hope of evalasting life is their for that person to gain if he remains faithful to the end!


in your aim to justify breaking God's law so as to save oneself , you did not catch or explain the whole story

1Sa 21:3Now if there are five loaves of bread at your disposal, just give them to me, or whatever is available.”
1Sa 21:4But the priest answered David: “There is no ordinary bread on hand, but there is holy bread—provided that the young men have kept away from women.”
1Sa 21:5David answered the priest: “Women have certainly been kept away from us as on previous occasions when I went out on a campaign. If the bodies of the young men are holy even when the mission is ordinary, how much more so today should they be holy!
1Sa 21:6So the priest gave him the holy bread, because there was no bread there except the showbread, which had been removed from Jehovah’s presence to be replaced by fresh bread on the day it was taken away.
*the bread given to David can be disposed of by the priest
* the condition the priest gave for eating the bread where met
* the bread have been removed from jehovahs presence.

when you examine the scriptures without a need to search for something to argue with,one will understand better

Le 22:10“‘No unauthorized person/{stranger}may eat anything holy. No foreign guest of a priest or hired worker may eat anything holy.

pls tell us
1. can you be excused for breaking God's law cus you want to live further



you did not quote what the command says, modifying it will not help you!

Mt 22:36“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Mt 22:37He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.
Mt 22:38This is the greatest and first commandment
Mt 22:39The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’

BUT IT PAYS YOU TO PUT THE SECOND LAW BEFORE THE FIRST SO AS TO SAVE A LIFE TEMPORARILY AND BREAKS GOD'S LAW!

He had said he was promised 'eternity'.

Anas09:

Well... If you are not promised eternal life, i am. See here...
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
1 John:2:25

Who is the ignorant now?

Oh wait!!! You dont believe Jesus.

Anas09:
How these people even dey think sef?

Jesus said he had always existed. He was with the father from the begining. Before the foundation of thebearth, he was with the father. He said "I came from the father, am going to the father". Does that sound like someone who did not pre-exist? Humans did not pre-exist. We were created as the earth was created, but not so with Christ.

The eternity promised us has nothing to do with weda we as humans had existed before cominf to this earth.

Wow.

Lol. ^^^ On red, so you have been promised eternity?

Lol. see how ignorant you are and you still hang around to expose it.

Run along now.

You know nothing to help yourself let alone others.

It's a pity indeed.

solite3:
Christ was not a sinner so hell cannot affect him and he went there to release the righteous.
So your rant is lame!

Lol. so there are righteous people in hell now!

You have forgotten your threat "hell is real".

Since there are righteous people in hell, why were you bothering your self telling the so called sinner about it since righteous people go to hell?

SMH for you all.

solite3:
Christ was not a sinner so hell cannot affect him and he went there to release the righteous.
So your rant is lame!

Lol. so there are righteous people in hell now!

DoctorAlien:


Are you saying there are two types of Wisdom? If yes, prove it from the Bible.

Also, Prov. 8:30 says "Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;"

If the text is talking about Christ, it is clear that He was like one brought up with GOD: if GOD was brought up, then He was brought up with GOD.

How then could Christ be created?

SMH. what sort of translation is this one? it is not consistent with others on this.

Who brought God Yahweh up into existence?

Anas09:

Wait... You have a problem with hellfire but not with Jehovah destroying people in Amagedon?

Listen, Jesus talked about hellfire more than he talked about heaven in the gospels. If you choose to see his teachings as metaphors, thats you. If you reject his love and life, you wont have the rebirth which takes place in your spirit man, if your spirit is not alive when u die here, you can't proceed to where Christ is. You'd be left outside and that outside is what is called hellfire. If it sounds threatening to you here, wait until you die.

Jesus did not talk about "Hell fire". Lol. the word Hell is not part of Hebrew or Greek language.

Anas09:

Speculations, speculations, speculations. Stop speculating spirituality. Drop scriptures.

Where did I speculate ? Are humans not promised Eternal life? Are humans not promised everlasting life? does that implies that humans had always existed?

So, Jesus being called Eternal father or Everlasting father does not mean he has always existed.

There is a difference between Eternal and eternity in the Bible.

If you think they are the same, can it be said you were given Eternity?

solite3:
so Jesus was preaching what is not real?

Lol. Only if you had known better.

solite3:
why did Jesus preached about hell fire?
If you can answer me I will give you and.

Jesus did not preach "hell fire".

He did not use the word even. It was not his language.

solite3:

Mark 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

False translation, if hell is a place of torment according to you, then take the below to the bank, and be happy that Christ was tormented. after all, Jesus Christ want to hell also.

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
...............................................
I hope you are happy now.?

SMH for falsehood!

Emusan:


@bold-but it isn't a threat to tell someone that Jehovah will soon destroy over 6 Billions people in Armageddon?

If The Bible teaches torment in hell fire, then it would not have been a threat.

Preaching what the Bible says is teaching the Truth.

DoctorAlien:


Why would you not preach the danger of hell?

"Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of GOD, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?" Heb. 10:29.

I will not preach falsehood, there will be no reward for such.

solite3:
yes hell real! Jesus warned against going to hell more than he taught about heaven.

If you don't know, know now that God is a consuming fire.
If you feel threatened by it, well its a pity because whether you are threatened or not it doesn't reduce the reality of Hell!

Since am aware that the Bible does not teach eternal torment in "Hell fire",

On the red, that Jesus preach about Hell fire of torment, I wish to let you know that you have lied against Jesus due to your limited knowledge on this matter.

First, the word hell got into the Bible when the Bible was translated into a language that Jesus never spoke.

Since Jesus never spoke Latin, he spoke Hebrew language and Greek. how could he have warned on a Latin word?

Saying that Jesus warned people about Hell shows how bereaved of knowledge you are.

This should send a signal for you to reassess the things you have taken in all along as knowledge.