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QuinQ: 10:45pm On Jun 03
Janosky:

JW's said according to Acts 3:19-23 , Peter the apostle revealed that Jesus Christ is a Prophet like Moses.
But
Quin : Jesus is Moses.

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Jehovah has been sending his angels (sons of God) to deliver his messages from Genesis to Revelation.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, therefore an angel who is leading other angels @ Revelation 19:15-17 in battle and victory
Jesus Christ is an apostle, angel and prophet.

This Bible truth is not easy for LIARS.


You are so full of misinformation and misunderstanding, you and Maxindhouse, I don't even know where to begin. Peter was merely quoting Deuteronomy 18:18. Here is Acts 3:22: "For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you.'"

JohnTB was asked if he was this prophet, he said no, he also said he was not Elijah either.
But Christ later said he was indeed Elijah but never said he himself was this prophet. He later CONFIRMED through Peter who he was: Son of the living God (NOT His angel, NOT His prophet!)

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QuinQ: 11:04pm On Jun 03
Janosky:


Jesus Christ did NOT create EVERYTHING.
Jesus Christ did NOT create God his Father.

Read Jesus confession in John 5:26 .
Jehovah God GAVE Jesus life as Jehovah God gave angels life.
REMOVE John 5:26 from your Bible.

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The bottom line of all this:
You are like someone whose entire universe and thinking is two-dimensional, trying to explain our three-dimensional world.
If you told such a person that if you keep going straight on a sphere you'd come back to same point, he'll keep insisting they're two different points, and there is no way you can convince him.

Always , Jesus Himself claimed to be God (called himself Yahweh), add to that, OT said God was coming to visit us, add to that, Jews tried to stone Him for claiming to be God!
Non-Gods don't raise themselves from dead (John 2:19)

See John 5 explained below

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QuinQ: 11:30pm On Jun 03
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QuinQ: 11:31pm On Jun 03
Janosky:

Why are you deceiving yourself?

Other people points the same finger at pentecostalism.

Janosky:


You pentecostals who claim you follow the Bible, people say pentecostalism is what?
Screenshot evidence.

I only said JW is a cult - or at least cultish. I never said they are the only cult. I don't know much about Pentecostals but I know they are different from church to church. So unlike JW, they don't derive what to think, say, and do from any one GB.
I know Catholics, Anglicans, and other major denominations are NOT cults
MaxInDHouse(m): 5:08am On Jun 04
QuinQ:

I know Catholics, Anglicans, and other major denominations are NOT cults
https://thefullnessoftruthapostolate./2023/11/28/the-catholic-church-is-a-cult/

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QuinQ: 6:16am On Jun 04
MaxInDHouse:

https://thefullnessoftruthapostolate./2023/11/28/the-catholic-church-is-a-cult/

You can leave and come back to the Catholic Church as you wish, no shunning. Joe Biden was staunch Catholic yet pro abortion. The pope criticized him for it, but he stayed a full Catholic. Some Catholics are simultaneously Winners or Redeemed, no one bothers them about it, talkless of shunning. Compare to this below. That is what is meant by cult

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MaxInDHouse(m): 7:08am On Jun 04
QuinQ:

You can leave and come back to the Catholic Church as you wish, no shunning. Joe Biden was staunch Catholic yet pro abortion. The pope criticized him for it, but he stayed a full Catholic. Some Catholics are simultaneously Winners or Redeemed, no one bothers them about it, talkless of shunning. Compare to this below. That is what is meant by cult

That means Jesus' disciples were cult too because they shun anyone who practice interfaith:

However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8

First century Christians will neither eat nor say a greeting to anyone who deviate from the teachings of the apostles who are leading their group:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11

That's what being brothers means when you formally pray through holy Mary or bow before the image of St Peter but another church now speaks against it yet you claim both of you are on the same page, ọmọ you are deceiving yourself! wink

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MaxInDHouse(m): 7:15am On Jun 04
If shunning a former fellow worshiper for disobedience to the church policy is evil then blame Jesus because he taught his disciples to do just that! smiley

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QuinQ: 7:25am On Jun 04
MaxInDHouse:


That means Jesus' disciples were cult too because they shun anyone who practice interfaith:

However, even if we or an angel out of heaven were to declare to you as good news something beyond the good news we declared to you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8

First century Christians will neither eat nor say a greeting to anyone who deviate from the teachings of the apostles who are leading their group:

If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your homes or say a greeting to him. For the one who says a greeting to him is a sharer in his wicked works. 2John 10-11

That's what being brothers means when you formally pray through holy Mary or bow before the image of St Peter but another church now speaks against it yet you claim both of you are on the same page, ọmọ you are deceiving yourself! wink


So why all the argument from JW about cult. Just accept you're a cult and be proud of it, with your chest out. If anyone says you're a cult, simply tell them they're right, that you're not arguing that at all, that you really are a cult
MaxInDHouse(m): 7:35am On Jun 04
QuinQ:

So why all the argument from JW about cult. Just accept you're a cult and be proud of it, with your chest out. If anyone says you're a cult, simply tell them they're right, that you're not arguing that at all, that you really are a cult

We are the only true Christian group that Jesus foretold saying:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.  It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

So if you call us a cult for obeying Jesus we are proud that we are fulfilling what Jesus foretold about his real disciples! wink

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QuinQ: 7:36am On Jun 04
MaxInDHouse:


We are the only true Christian group that Jesus foretold about saying:

“A student is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master.  It is enough for the student to become as his teacher, and the slave as his master. If people have called the master of the house Be·elʹze·bub, how much more those of his household? Matthew 10:24-25

So if you call us a cult for obeying Jesus we are proud that we are fulfilling what Jesus foretold about his real disciples! wink

Finally! So it is settled: JW IS A CULT!
That's all we've veen trying to get you to see!
MaxInDHouse(m): 7:37am On Jun 04
QuinQ:

So ot is
Let them say at least we are fulfilling the sayings of our Master Lord and King Christ Jesus! wink
MaxInDHouse(m): 7:40am On Jun 04
QuinQ:

Finally! So it is settled.m: JW IS A CULT!
That's all we've veen trying to get you to see!
Whatever you say just it that Jesus is the head of this so called CULT! Matthew 10:24-25 wink
QuinQ: 7:44am On Jun 04
MaxInDHouse:

Whatever you say just it that Jesus is the head of this so called CULT! Matthew 10:24-25 wink

Just let Janosky and others know so there'd be no more arguments about it.

it is settled: JW IS A CULT!

At least we achieved something. We got that out of the way
MaxInDHouse(m): 8:08am On Jun 04
QuinQ:

Just let Janosky and others know so there'd be no more arguments about it.
it is settled: JW IS A CULT!
At least we achieved something. We got that out of the way

No wahala as long as you it that Jesus is the head as in FOUNDER of this so called "CULT" Matthew 10:24-25grin

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QuinQ: 8:30am On Jun 04
MaxInDHouse:


No wahala as long as you it that Jesus is the head as in FOUNDER of this so called "CULT" Matthew 10:24-25grin


Thank God. At least we didn't spend all this time for nothing.
We have one thing permanently resolved, no more arguments:
JW IS A CULT!
MaxInDHouse(m): 8:31am On Jun 04
QuinQ:

Thank God. At least we didn't spend all this time for nothing.
One have one thing permanently resolved, no more arguments:
JW IS A CULT!

Sooooooooo childish! cheesy

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QuinQ: 8:35am On Jun 04
MaxInDHouse:


Sooooooooo childish! cheesy

Better than going back and forth getting nowhere.
At least this is one thing we agree on:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AS AN ORGANIZATION IS A CULT
Emusan(m): 9:10am On Jun 04
Janosky:
Oga, continue deceiving yourself.

If you get liver, provide evidence.
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Evidence that you claimed Revelation was about Jehovah and not Jesus, right?
MaxInDHouse(m): 12:37pm On Jun 04
QuinQ:

Better than going back and forth getting nowhere. At least this is one thing we agree on: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AS AN ORGANIZATION IS A CULT
to add:
"Because they are following Jesus' footsteps" wink

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Gabrielshow24: 12:48pm On Jun 04
Janosky:

[b]
Person wey claim to go school but he doesn't know that seeing an unexpected event brings about an exclamation.

[b]John 20:24-29
"Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”


28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

John 20:24-27,29
Jesus told Thomas "Stop doubting & believe what?"
believe the resurrection

John 20:17, who is the God of Thomas and Jesus?

Jesus reply to Mary Magdalene refuted their claim on John 20:28 .
But them dey use verse 28 to deceive themselves.
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If you had gone to school, you would had known that it's a known fact among the Jews that they do not blaspheme the name of God(titles included) and if you had reasoning then you would had known that historical context is against you.

It's the same thing with Islam😅, with historical context greatly against their claims. Infact, you both are working in tandem, brother-in-false-docrines!
Janosky: 12:58pm On Jun 04
QuinQ:


You are so full of misinformation and misunderstanding, you and Maxindhouse, I don't even know where to begin. Peter was merely quoting Deuteronomy 18:18. Here is Acts 3:22: "For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you.'"

JohnTB was asked if he was this prophet, he said no, he also said he was not Elijah either.
But Christ later said he was indeed Elijah but never said he himself was this prophet. He later CONFIRMED through Peter who he was: Son of the living God (NOT His angel, NOT His prophet!)

QuinQ no dey read him Bible.
Deuteronomy 18:15 & Acts 3:22-23 proven that QuinQ DECEIVING himself.

Screenshot evidence is irrefutable.
Acts 3:22-23," Jesus Christ is the eschatological prophet like Moses."
NET Bible your fellow Trinitarians exposed you.

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Janosky: 1:03pm On Jun 04
Emusan:


Evidence that you claimed Revelation was about Jehovah and not Jesus, right?

Emusan no get evidence just noise making.

Emusan,Is the above statement the initial claim you made?
Omo see Emusan confusion

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Janosky: 1:09pm On Jun 04
Gabrielshow24:

If you had gone to school, you would had known that it's a known fact among the Jews that they do not blaspheme the name of God(titles included) and if you had reasoning then you would had known that historical context is against you.

It's the same thing with Islam😅, with historical context greatly against their claims. Infact, you both are working in tandem, brother-in-false-docrines!


You no know the meaning of historical context,so Stop deceiving yourself.
@John 3:16 & Matthew 16:16-17, is your Jesus the name of God?

You no kuku dey read your Bible.
Let alone to study it.
Please STOP deceiving yourself.
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Janosky: 1:13pm On Jun 04
QuinQ:


Better than going back and forth getting nowhere.
At least this is one thing we agree on:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES AS AN ORGANIZATION IS A CULT

That same label was applied to your pentecostalism.
You no woke at all.
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Janosky: 1:23pm On Jun 04
QuinQ:


You can leave and come back to the Catholic Church as you wish, no shunning. Joe Biden was staunch Catholic yet pro abortion. The pope criticized him for it, but he stayed a full Catholic. Some Catholics are simultaneously Winners or Redeemed, no one bothers them about it, talkless of shunning. Compare to this below. That is what is meant by cult

The screenshot evidence proven your delusion.
Will both Pastors climb the church pulpit after their church took swift action?

Person wey say him go school but him no allow him brain to function.

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Janosky: 1:26pm On Jun 04
MaxInDHouse:


Sooooooooo childish! cheesy

Ikegwuru

Janosky: 1:31pm On Jun 04
QuinQ:




I only said JW is a cult - or at least cultish. I never said they are the only cult. I don't know much about Pentecostals but I know they are different from church to church. So unlike JW, they don't derive what to think, say, and do from any one GB.
I know Catholics, Anglicans, and other major denominations are NOT cults

All the verses of your holy Bible that were espoused since JW's conversation with you were written by JW's Governing Body?

Guy,You no know your problem.

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Janosky: 1:56pm On Jun 04
QuinQ:


The bottom line of all this:
You are like someone whose entire universe and thinking is two-dimensional, trying to explain our three-dimensional world.
If you told such a person that if you keep going straight on a sphere you'd come back to same point, he'll keep insisting they're two different points, and there is no way you can convince him.


That is your Ploy to divert attention from the holy scriptures.



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QuinQ:


Always , Jesus Himself claimed to be God (called himself Yahweh), add to that, OT said God was coming to visit us, add to that, Jews tried to stone Him for claiming to be God!
Non-Gods don't raise themselves from dead (John 2:19)
Screenshot 1 of your fellow Trinitarian, Daddycool refutes your claim & the claim of Steep & that pastor deceiving himself.
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QuinQ:


See John 5 explained below
That is their personal opinion conflicting against the holy scriptures.
God gave life to Jesus Christ, verse 26. John chapter 5.
God gave Jesus authority to judge., verse 27.

Every where you see "GRANTED, GIVE " (Greek lexicon 1325) in your Bible,it is what it is. Screenshot 2 evidence.

Una too dey deceive una selves.

Emusan(m): 2:01pm On Jun 04
Janosky:
Emusan no get evidence just noise making.

What is your point?

Emusan,Is the above statement the initial claim you made?

The above is also my initial point.

You claimed Jesus saying He is The beginning and the ending, the first and the last, Alpha and Omega, The Almighty isn't about Jesus Christ in Revelation but Jehovah.

Or do you agree that Jesus is The Beginning and The Ending, The First and The Last, Alpha and Omega & The Almighty according to Revelation?

Omo see Emusan confusion [/b]
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Point out the confusion in my post and stop spamming my mention.
MaxInDHouse(m): 2:04pm On Jun 04
Janosky:

All the verses of your holy Bible that were espoused since JW's conversation with you were written by JW's Governing Body? Guy,You no know your problem. grin

The funny thing about them is claiming that a religion is cult because they shun or excommunicate unrepentant ones.
The funniest part is that Jesus himself is the originator of shunning so when they call a group "CULT" for shunning or excommunication of wrongdoers they're condemning Jesus as well as his Apostles! smiley

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Janosky: 2:04pm On Jun 04
Emusan:


What is your point?



The above is also my initial point.

You claimed Jesus saying He is The beginning and the ending, the first and the last, Alpha and Omega, The Almighty isn't about Jesus Christ in Revelation but Jehovah.

Or do you agree that Jesus is The Beginning and The Ending, The First and The Last, Alpha and Omega & The Almighty according to Revelation?



Point out the confusion in my post and stop spamming my mention.

Go and study Revelation chapter 1 with a copy of Greek interlinear Bible, so you can stop deceiving yourself.

Emusan, bikonu
cheesy cheesy

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