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Our friend is back!

"God can pray to himself"

But when atheists believe themselves and despise faith in someone else you people will say they are wrong.

If God is praying to himself then atheists are the best believers because they believe only in themselves!

Emusan:

Always changing mouth when he got caught
I understand your pain

Ọmọ this is really getting hilarious walahi talahi!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ this is really getting hilarious walahi talahi!

Very very as you have been caught in the web of your own lies

Emusan:

Very very as you have been caught in the web of your own lies

Don't worry jàre ṣebi you are not lying!

Emusan:


They are in Christ Group called Christian.



Only this?

I can provide times two of these about people's negative comments about Jehovah Witness on this same forum.

I know whenever you see those comments you always turn a blind eyes or called it fake.

Not only that from your own mouth you have made a statement about how other JWs are suspicious about another.

Just look at this two screenshots about Catholic. I guess do you believe the people who made these remarks?

Muslim love Pope. That one go burst Max brains

Emusan:


The standard people are proud of is That os Christ.

See how he went silent with that evidence

Abi oooooo. He has monopoly over validations

achorladey:

Muslim love Pope. That one go burst Max brains

Now i know you people don't have any shame!

Muslim love Pope but what are the qualities he listed nah?

See comments from people and how they expatiated on what they said!

APOPTOSIS:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and s.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract to their church and the will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:

well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:

They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

MaxInDHouse:

See the highlighted.
Guy this is not politics where lying makes you special among your type o!
Go and educate yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
Instead of learning from childhood with JWs he chose to start deceiving himself out of arrogance.

God can pray to himself!

(The difference between you and me is that I am interested in the truth, while you're only interested in robotically propagating JW viewpoint).

See, you have no answer, and as the saying goes:
"If you have no argument insult the other guy!".
You have no argument because I am RIGHT and you are WRONG! Three reasons:

1) If mere humans can pray to higher aspects of themselves, complex unknowable God can also definitely pray to higher aspects of Himself!

2) You believe God can simultaneously listen to millions of prayers. You believe God and Jesus can simultaneously dwell INSIDE lots of people. You believed Jesus when He said He and the Father are one, and once you see Him you've seen the Father. The only thing you can't believe is that God (the Son) can pray to God (the Father)! Wow!

3) You don't know what you're talking about. You are incapable of understanding how things are structured in the spiritual world. So you're in absolutely in no position to be saying what God can or cannot do!

(BTW, "not thinking" is believing JW when they tell you Jesus is Moses and Jesus is Angel Michael and you actually believe them, despite everything you've read!)

It's not easy chatting with a novice who just feel like arguing!

MaxIntheHouse2:


Now i know you people don't have any shame!

Muslim love Pope but what are the qualities he listed nah?

See comments from people and how they expatiated on what they said!

Na to say others are crying when we know such peddling is from your brains.

Just look at the below again....

Muslim love Pope but what are the qualities he listed nah?

and

I love Jehovah's witnesses

You go look for qualities tire. Na blind love dem get

MaxInDHouse:
Don't worry jàre ṣebi you are not lying!

Did I tell you I'm worried before?

Sure, I'm not.

Next...

QuinQ:




(The difference between you and me is that I am interested in the truth, while you're only interested in robotically propagating JW viewpoint).

See, you have no answer, and as the saying goes:
"If you have no argument insult the other guy!".
You have no argument because I am RIGHT and you are WRONG! Three reasons:

1) If mere humans can pray to higher aspects of themselves, complex unknowable God can also definitely pray to higher aspects of Himself!

2) You believe God can simultaneously listen to millions of prayers. You believe God and Jesus can simultaneously dwell INSIDE lots of people. You believed Jesus when He said He and the Father are one, and once you see Him you've seen the Father. The only thing you can't believe is that God (the Son) can pray to God (the Father)! Wow!

3) You don't know what you're talking about. You are incapable of understanding how things are structured in the spiritual world. So you're in absolutely in no position to be saying what God can or cannot do!

(BTW, "not thinking" is believing JW when they tell you Jesus is Moses and Jesus is Angel Michael and you actually believe them, despite everything you've read!)

JW's said according to Acts 3:19-23 , Peter the apostle revealed that Jesus Christ is a Prophet like Moses.
But
QuinQ : Jesus is Moses.

Jehovah has been sending his angels (sons of God) to deliver his messages from Genesis to Revelation.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, therefore an angel who is leading other angels @ Revelation 19:15-17 in battle and victory
Jesus Christ is an apostle, angel and prophet.

This Bible truth is not easy for LIARS.

QuinQ:
JJesus said many words that never made it into the Bible. Even people who take direct dictations make mistakes. Jesus's words were ed mised, told and retold, until someone finally wrote them down. Then there were translations and modifications.
You can't know better than those who were right there by disecting the few modified words that finally came down to you!

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Purpose of John's Book
John 20:30-31
Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book. 31But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name."

Anybody teaching and believing another doctrine conflicting against the final conclusion of John's gospel - "Jesus is the Son of God", that person is just wasting his time.
Nah your Bible talk am.

QuinQ:



YES, no governing body told Jesus what to say or think!

JW's agree with Jesus Christ on John 5:19 & John 12:49-50.
Jehovah God the Supreme Being always thinks for Jesus & Jesus obeys God's thoughts.

QuinQ:


The Holy scriptures say disparate things.

QuinQ post: The holy scriptures say CONFLICTING things "
Oga this is what you teach from your church pulpit?

This "Believer" no believe him Bible.

QuinQ:

It is left for you to digest all and use YOUR OWN God-given thinking faculty to synthesise it and come up with a reasonable answer. Example, if you read Moses started life by KILLING a man in cold blood then some elder tells you that Jesus was like Moses

Peter the apostle told you that Jesus Christ is a prophet like Moses.
Abeg respect Apostle Peter jare.
That man is a renowned soldier of Christ and of the gospels.

QuinQ:

Or you know Jesus said that JohnTB was Elijah but he and His disciples never at anytime even almost indicate anything about He being an angel of any sort, that's where YOUR own thinking comes in!

Jesus Christ is a prophet, a prophet is an angel carrying out a divine assignment.
Jesus Christ is an angel carrying out a divine assignment.
@ John 12:49-50 Jesus Christ fulfilled Psalms 103:20.

Oga, allow your brain to function.

QuinQ:


So after exhaustively studying your Bible and you put it aside and contemplate what you've read and the activities of the various actors, you'd come to the conclusion that Angel Michael created everything, and that once you've seen Angel Michael you've seen God, and he's not an angel at all but the ONLY begotten Son of God. Okay o

Jesus Christ did NOT create EVERYTHING.
Jesus Christ did NOT create God his Father.

Read Jesus confession in John 5:26 .
Jehovah God GAVE Jesus life as Jehovah God gave angels life.
REMOVE John 5:26 from your Bible.

Ruke1991:


John 20:28 Thomas called Jesus his God. Did you see Jesus rebuke him? no. Because Jesus is God

Is Jesus Christ perfect?
Yes.
Did Jesus Christ disagree with Thomas the imperfect follower?
Yes, John 20:17 & Revelation 3:12, Jesus revealed he is NOT the God of any of his followers.
That is also the concrete conclusion of John 20:30-31.

Did John 20:28 ended with exclamation mark?
Yes.

John 20:28 was expressed by Thomas in the context of John 20:18-25, Thomas doubts & unbelief of Jesus resurrection.
John 20:29 "Happy are those who did not see Jesus resurrection but believe Jesus rose."

why should I cling to the exclamation of an imperfect disciple which Jesus Christ did NOT believe it?

Ruke1991:


Heb 1:6 angels are commanded by the father to worship.jesus. So jesus is God - he is not angel Michael. No angel is worthy of worship. The verse you quoted ( Rev 19:10 ) validates my point.

Revelation 19:10 - that is an angel that tells John to bow or worship only God. Angels can never be worshipped. Read the whole chapter and see that the person talking is an angel not Jesus.

No Sir.
John 12:49-50 & Matthew 4:10, is Jesus teaching and speaking ONLY what God commanded?
Yes.
The commandment is Worship ONLY Jehovah God.
Not worship 2 different spirits.

Is God Almighty the God of confusion?
1 Corinthians 14:33 , Matthew 4:10.
Jesus Christ is a Jew.
Jews can NOT worship 2 different spirits.

2nd point is this :
@ Revelation 19:10 ,is the angel in agreement with Matthew 4:19?
The answer is overwhelmingly Yes.

When you read Greek John 1:1 & Greek Revelation19:10, , in both verses, the Almighty God is ho Theo's (meaning the God)
Greek Revelation19:10 says " Worship ho Theo's (the God)".

Catholic Church wey spread the teaching of Trinity, @ Hebrew 1:6, their Own Bible reads "Let all the angels pay homage to Jesus."
Screenshot evidences

The Pope say nah homage for Jesus as you diguo for your a monarch , the elders and senior men for your community.
Screenshot evidence

Ruke1991:


The book of revelation commenced with a vision of Jesus and it was clearly stated that John bowed to him in worship (rev 1 :17,18) in the first vision and wasn't rebuked or asked to refrain. Later on angels appeared at different stages beginning from chapter 4 and the book of revelation did not call them Jesus or describe them in any way like Jesus. it simply calls them angels. Only JW blasphemers try to equate jesus to angels


Jesus did not tell John that he cannot be worshipped when John bowed in rev 1:17,18. But in two other instances where John bowed to angels in this same book of revelation, the angels rebuked him.

Your opinion is a denial of Revelation 1:5-6 where Jesus' revealed he worships God his Father.
@ Revelation 1:1 Jesus Christ is an angel who received divine message & ed on that message to other angels.

@ Revelation 1:17-18, the NET Bible a Trinitarian translation says " I fell at his feet ( John diguo for Jesus)
not worship.
In the screenshot,When the youths diguo for the monarch ,did they worship the monarch?

Not at all!

Ruke1991:


The book of revelation commenced with a vision of Jesus and it was clearly stated that John bowed to him in worship (rev 1 :17,18) in the first vision and wasn't rebuked or asked to refrain. Later on angels appeared at different stages beginning from chapter 4 and the book of revelation did not call them Jesus or describe them in any way like Jesus. it simply calls them angels. Only JW blasphemers try to equate jesus to angels

An angel rejecting to be worshipped validates my words that Jesus is God therefore he can be worshipped and he did accept worship in the scripture. The angels appeared numerous times to John in the book of revelation, but in chapter 1 where the series of vision started, the first person that appeared to John identified himself as jesus - who was dead and is alive and lives for ever. This Jesus here accepted the worship from john and never rebuked him like angels did in rev 19 and rev 22 - because he is God.

Rev 1:17,18 - John bowed to Jesus here. Jesus did not rebuke him. Can you read jesus saying I am he that was DEAD and alive and live forever. I hold the keys of death and live. Angels cannot hold the keys of death and life. Only God can. Only Jesus was dead and is alive - so you cannot claim that this is the father talking.

Jesus did not tell John that he cannot be worshipped when John bowed in rev 1:17,18. But in two other instances where John bowed to angels in this same book of revelation, the angels rebuked him.

Why would a monarch reject homage from his subjects?
Why would Jesus reject homage from his followers?

You confused homage with worship.

I have questions for you.
Oga, in Revelation chapter 1 to chapter 22 is Jesus and other angels delivering the same message?

When different spirits deliver the same message to John, what do you call all of them?

What is the meaning of messengers in your Bible?

Oga, allow your brain to function.

Ruke1991:


Matt 28:9,10 Mary Magdalene worshipped jesus. Jesus did not rebuke her or ask her to worship only the father. You are free to compare the original greek word for worship. It is worship that was used not obeisance - since you like playing with words

Oga,What did Jesus teach Mary Magdalene @ John 20'15-17?
Mary Magdalene is a Jewish woman.
Jesus Christ is also a Jew.
Jews can NOT & do NOT worship 2 different spirits.

Una dey discard the Jewish belief system of Jesus followers because you want to practice polytheism.

Ruke1991:

This verses I am bringing up each time, tears to shred the core beliefs of the JW movement and it's a bit embarrassing. JW actually think pentecostals are bible novices. But am sure they are realising for the first time that themselves are not really good at bible interpretation nor vast in bible knowledge like some of us. No go there o

The original Greek meaning of proskuneo is NOT even worship. but homage, respect to a king or Senior person.
Screenshot evidence from several Greek lexicon

Numerous Bible translations did not use the word "Worship" @ Matthew 28:9-10 because they knew that the Jewish pentecostals were not polytheists in the period Jesus walked the earth.

Gabrielshow24:
"Thomas was just amazed" 😂😂, "it's more of an exclamation 😂". If you hear their flagrant logic🤣, you will doubt whether or not they really went to school.

It's a known fact that Jews do not blaspheme the name of God(titles included👀) either as an exclamation or otherwise😁!

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Person wey claim to go school but he doesn't know that seeing an unexpected event brings about an exclamation.

[b]John 20:24-29
"Now Thomas (also known as Didymus[a]), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

John 20:24-27,29
Jesus told Thomas "Stop doubting & believe what?"
believe the resurrection

John 20:17, who is the God of Thomas and Jesus?

Jesus reply to Mary Magdalene refuted their claim on John 20:28 .
But them dey use verse 28 to deceive themselves.
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QuinQ:


You kidding, right? They lying to you. Even the Catholic Church is better preforming because it is NOT a cult, talkless smaller Christ-centered churches.

Read the screenshot evidences
What did people who quit your pentecostals say about it?
Just dey deceive yourselves thinking say you dey form woke.

Emusan:


The bone don hook throat

See who's talking?
Oga,What did you read in the screenshots?


"Pentecostalism is a form of what?

Emusan:


Yes ooo!

Since you already shot yourself on the foot.

I when Janosky was claiming that Jesus was not "The Beginning and The Ending, The First and The Last, Alpha and Omega" in that Revelation because Revelation was all about Jehovah but now you've pour sand sand into his Garri

Oga, continue deceiving yourself.

If you get liver, provide evidence.

Emusan:


And everyone who learns from me always got baptized in the NAME of The Father, and of The Son and of The Holy Spirit because that is what our Master instructed us to do Matt 28:19 and we're seriously following His command.

Can you provide the scripture where you were instructed to baptized anyone AS ONE OF JEHOVAH WITNESSES?


Next diversion pls....

If you get liver , name the believers who were baptised in your Bible with that statement?

QuinQ:


I am saying that even Catholics (whom people say don't closely follow the Bible) are better than JW because they are not a CULT - and that trumps everything else. Just ask this guy below if he'd not have been better off being a Catholic.

You pentecostals who claim you follow the Bible, people say pentecostalism is what?
Screenshot evidence.

QuinQ:


How many times have I told them - you take everything TOGETHER, not ISOLATE verses here and there!
If someone tells you that once you see him you've seen John, and that he and John are one and the same, then someone calls him John, you don't say it was just an exclamation!
Jesus Himself claimed to be God, add to that, OT said God was coming to visit us, add to that, Jews tried to stone Him for claiming to be God

You see the screenshot evidence of your fellow Trinitarians on this Nairaland?
Dey there dey deceive yourself.

QuinQ:


, add to that, Jesus was called the Alpha and Omega, (notice no one ever said any of these about anyone else in the entire history of mankind. Also notice the Jews never tried to stone anyone else for claiming to be God!).

John 17:7,
That Jesus received a title (alpha and Omega) from God his Senior doesn't place Jesus and God his Senior (meaning Father) on the same pedestal

John 5:18, Jesus was calling God his Father ( meaning of Senior)
Does calling God your Senior (meaning Father) make you equal to your Senior?
The Jews were deceiving themselves with a false claim.
Oga, use your brain nau.
.

QuinQ:


When you know that's the background of Thomas calling Him God, then you KNOW he meant to call Him just that - God!
Ruke1991, good compilation by the way

John 20:17, which God did Jesus and Thomas worship?
John 20:17, does your God have brothers?

QuinQ:


Very funny. Ha-ha!
It's not just me saying they're a cult - people who know them inside out say so - unlike other churches! Because they're brainwashed - some governing board in US determines what they can say and think and they're scared of disfellowship and the shunning that goes with it!

Why are you deceiving yourself?


Other people points the same finger at pentecostalism.