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British India had a majority muslim area (west) and a majority hindu area (east). British Palestine has both Jews and Arabs living side by side in most of the areas. Also, mind you, everybody in Palestine were Arabs be it jews or muslims. The so called Ashkenazi Jews from Europe are Europeans and they were the ones that brought Zionism. Let me ask you a question.

1. Without the immigration of Jews from Europe, would there have been a clamour for a Jewish state?

2. Where did zionism begin? Was it in Europe or Palestine?


Why is it that it was the European Jews who had no land originally in Palestine that were fighting for the separation of the land? Most of the early leaders of Israel were European immigrants.

obedience4:


Live peaceful with the Arabs?? Was there ever peaceful co-habitation with the Jews and Arabs??young man go and read your history books. Go and read about the early hostilities between the Jews and the Arabs, The fued between the jews and Arabs is as old as time itself. There wasn't a Jewish state when a civil war broke out between jews and Arabs in British controlled Palestine.

There is no chance of a Jewish Arab peaceful co-habitation, Why was British India shared into two india and Pakistan?? why not allow the Hindus and moslems live together?? Both are two distinct sovereign states yet are fighting wars till tomorrow.

Gold Meir before the Jewish state creation would certainly carry a Palestine port. which port would you expect she would carry?? Palestine as a British control territory comprises of both Arab and Jewish people. before the creation of the state of Israel there were Jewish Palestine people Gold Meir inclusive. The British government relinquishes its authority over Palestine which gave birth to the Jewish state being created. Thus she became an Israeli citizen. will a Muslim man still be carrying the port of British controlled India after the creation of Pakistan??[/I]

[i]Jewish people will only be free and safe within a Jewish sovereign state.

You are so silly you are begito.make false assumptions.

The Arabs did not evacuate because they wanted to 'drive the Jews to the sea'. Why would anybody want to vacate their ancestral land. Do you think you are talking to idiots? The Nakba, massacre of entire Arab populations so that European Jews would live in their homes, is a well documented fact. Why are you trying to twist history?

Lawag3:


Don't be a dunce if it was exclusively for only jews why did the Arabs tell the Palestinians Arabs that where living in newly formed israel to evacuate so they could chase the Jews into the sea?


Those who did not evacuate are the over 20% Arabs now that are citizens of the state of Israel.


When israel was formed the Arabs who lived in Israel were considered as Israeli and part of Israel should they desire it.

So what nonsense exclusivity are you talking about?

For those who care to listen, the division of India was a bilateral agreement between the Hindus and the Muslims and both dominated different areas of the country. For almost 2,000 years, Jews and Muslims and Christians lived in that holy land and they were ruled together under one territory. During the crusades the Jews helped the Muslims defend Jerusalem.

Both the Jews and Muslims and Christians of Palestine were all called Arabs prior to the immigration from Europe. Mind you, most European Jews cannot prove genetically, their ancestry with the ancient Hebrews. They just have a sweet story and they have brainwashed half of the world.

I am a Christian. I am so glad that I didn't fall for the greatest brainwashing in the history of the world. There are Jews today who also haven't fallen for it.

The desire to paint everything in a religious light, always striving to create parallel comparisons just to enforce a malicious narrative with which to justify oppression, is the greatest threat to human existence today.

The greatest evils in history have been committed under the guise of fighting evil.

Bigsam99:
For those who care to listen, the division of India was a bilateral agreement between the Hindus and the Muslims and both dominated different areas of the country. For almost 2,000 years, Jews and Muslims and Christians lived in that holy land and they were ruled together under one territory. During the crusades the Jews helped the Muslims defend Jerusalem.

Both the Jews and Muslims and Christians of Palestine were all called Arabs prior to the immigration from Europe. Mind you, most European Jews cannot prove genetically, their ancestry with the ancient Hebrews. They just have a sweet story and they have brainwashed half of the world.

another lamba

Stop rewriting history......just stop pls

The Muslim league were the one who want the partition and it was opposed by the Indian national Congress

Yes, some Muslim were opposed to the partition that is why will still have some Muslim dominated area in India but majority of the Muslim ed the partition.
One of the major excuse given by the Muslim league was difference in religion.

The Indian national Congress agreed to the partition as a compromise to avoid violence.

I understand why you are emotional because of the gaza situation which they brought on themselves but pls stop trying to rewrite history and stop the lamba

Thank you

Bigsam99:
For those who care to listen, the division of India was a bilateral agreement between the Hindus and the Muslims and both dominated different areas of the country. For almost 2,000 years, Jews and Muslims and Christians lived in that holy land and they were ruled together under one territory. During the crusades the Jews helped the Muslims defend Jerusalem.

Both the Jews and Muslims and Christians of Palestine were all called Arabs prior to the immigration from Europe. Mind you, most European Jews cannot prove genetically, their ancestry with the ancient Hebrews. They just have a sweet story and they have brainwashed half of the world.

the partition was agreed on under extreme pressure to avoid conflict

obedience4:
For emphasis sake, he was killed in a Hamas structure under a hospital
Coward!!!

You dey mind them? Cowards of the highest order.

Bigsam99:
British India had a majority muslim area (west) and a majority hindu area (east). British Palestine has both Jews and Arabs living side by side in most of the areas. Also, mind you, everybody in Palestine were Arabs be it jews or muslims. The so called Ashkenazi Jews from Europe are Europeans and they were the ones that brought Zionism. Let me ask you a question.

1. Without the immigration of Jews from Europe, would there have been a clamour for a Jewish state?

2. Where did zionism begin? Was it in Europe or Palestine?


Why is it that it was the European Jews who had no land originally in Palestine that were fighting for the separation of the land? Most of the early leaders of Israel were European immigrants.

Living side by side did not change the fact that they were anomisty between Jews and Muslims Arabs, Also it fact that in British controlled Palestine there were Jewish communities and Arab communities, they were majorly not all together, I told you before go and read up the persecution of Jews by Arabs in Palestine, read about the 1929 Palestine riots, They were simply no way for the peaceful co-habitation of the two

there has always been a clamour for only Jews settlements by Palestine Jews, that's is fact, go check it out. They were only Jewish settlements in British controlled Palestine, The distinction has always be there, Stop painting the picture tgat they were one big loving family, They the "Palestine jews" had suffered attacks from Arab Palestinians, and have always wanted to be alone separated from the Muslim Arab. antisemitism against jews in Europe only added to fuel and increased the clamouring for a UN recognised sovereign Jewish state. Now, to answer your questions, the ethnic Palestinian Jews simply didn't have the means to fight the fight. They were the f**king minority in a Arab Muslim dominated Palestine. The European Jews were more educated and were more oraginsed. the principles of "Haskalah"were also a major factor. They had the financial and political influence to achieve the goals of a Jewish state. Why were the Arabs against Jewish immigration??
Palestine jews have always wanted to be alone. That's a fact, Zionism and the various Zionists groups were simply political and nationalist movements to bring the Jewish dream to fusion.


One question? Mate, Britain controlled Palestine was going to always one day get independence, The British made it clear through the Balfour Declaration, So what you are saying is that a one-state solution should have been created, a single independent Palestine state?? Where the Arabs would be the majority and the Jews the minority, and they would live happily ever after right?? that sounds good to you?? Will you as a Palestine jew or a European jew bearing in mind the history and anomisty between these two sets of people allowed for such a creation of such state? a one state - Palestine??


The British could have given India independence a single country with a Hindu majority and a Muslim minority and see how it turns out to be.

Bigsam99:
So why can't they just buy land and live in peace along side their neighbours the Arabs. But they had to take half of the whole land and when the Arabs rebelled against this injustice they are labelled as savages.

Gold Meir and many early Zionists lived in Palestine and carried Palestinian port. Why did they carve out a specific area and make it exclusive for only Jews?

Oga, they did exactly what you wanted. They lived in peace until the so called Palestinians started with attacks because Muslims have never been tolerant. They couldn't tolerate living with the Jews. That led to the need for a partition and guess what, they rejected the partition because they felt they could overpower the Jews. It's been a sorry story for them since.

Allthelight:
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Thank God you itted that the Indian National Congress agreef to it. Did the Palestinian Arabs agree to the partition of Palestine? They said they don't want partitioning. More tjan 70 percent of the population resisted it, still the world powers carved up half of their country.

And please stop trying to portray me as a Muslim defender. I don't care about religion. Infact, I am a vehement advocate against Islamic fundamentalist which some Western countries like the US promotes. Stop portraying anybody that speaks against oppression as belonging to one religion or the other, that narrative is getting stale.

sainttwist1:
another lamba

Stop rewriting history......just stop pls

The Muslim league were the one who want the partition and it was opposed by the Indian national Congress

Yes, some Muslim were opposed to the partition that is why will still have some Muslim dominated area in India but majority of the Muslim ed the partition.
One of the major excuse given by the Muslim league was difference in religion.

The Indian national Congress agreed to the partition as a compromise to avoid violence.

I understand why you are emotional because of the gaza situation which they brought on themselves but pls stop trying to rewrite history and stop the lamba

Thank you

Bigsam99:
You are so silly you are begito.make false assumptions.

The Arabs did not evacuate because they wanted to 'drive the Jews to the sea'. Why would anybody want to vacate their ancestral land. Do you think you are talking to idiots? The Nakba, massacre of entire Arab populations so that European Jews would live in their homes, is a well documented fact. Why are you trying to twist history?

Well you're proving to be an idiot because the nakbah is primarily about the expulsion of Palestinians Arabs what you describe as a massacre isn't do you know that if you combine both the deaths of Israelis and Arabs during that war the current Gaza war dwarfs it.


In some areas the Jews did expel Palestinians because of the fear that they would aid the Arabs and some communities did but then even the Arabs ordered some communities to evacuate so they won't be caught in the cross fire. They promised them they could come back after chasing the Jews to into the sea. An article was written on this.

Where do you think the 20% percent Arab population of Israel came from they are decendants of Arabs who did not aid the invasion of Israel and they did not evacuate.

Any lands the Palestinians lost they lost in battle they should declared their state but they didn't that's on them.

The way you people turn history on its head is so appalling. You claim it was the Arabs that started attacking the Jews first, knowing fully well people will believe you oncebyou draw comparison with the behavior of fundamentalists like ISIS and Boko Haram.

For the records, most of the violence started at the turn of the 20th century when European immigrants started Zionism and wanted to grab land in Palestine at all costs. I believe Menacheim Begin the terrorist was also an Arab right?

Gbadebo19:

Oga, they did exactly what you wanted. They lived in peace until the so called Palestinians started with attacks because Muslims have never been tolerant. They couldn't tolerate living with the Jews. That led to the need for a partition and guess what, they rejected the partition because they felt they could overpower the Jews. It's been a sorry story for them since.

Its either you reason with your anus or you are so malicious that you would see white and call it black. Wake up bro, people around you are not as you.

You said it was Arabs that left their homes because they want to 'drive the Jews to the sea' and I explained how stupid that statement was because it is on record that the Arabs left because the Jews were killing them during the Nakba. Today, the Gazans are trying to avoid leaving because they know that's what the Israelis want so they can take over Gaźa. It's like another Nakba.

That is why they are enduring untold suffering just because they don't want to run away again.

Lawag3:



Well you're proving to be an idiot because the nakbah is primarily about the expulsion of Palestinians Arabs what you describe as a massacre isn't do you know that if you combine both the deaths of Israelis and Arabs during that war the current Gaza war dwarfs it.


In some areas the Jews did expel Palestinians because of the fear that they would aid the Arabs and some communities did but then even the Arabs ordered some communities to evacuate so they won't be caught in the cross fire. They promised them they could come back after chasing the Jews to into the sea. An article was written on this.

Where do you think the 20% percent Arab population of Israel came from they are decendants of Arabs who did not aid the invasion of Israel and they did not evacuate.

Any lands the Palestinians lost they lost in battle they should declared their state but they didn't that's on them.

Bigsam99:
Thank God you itted that the Indian National Congress agreef to it. Did the Palestinian Arabs agree to the partition of Palestine? They said they don't want partitioning. More tjan 70 percent of the population resisted it, still the world powers carved up half of their country.

And please stop trying to portray me as a Muslim defender. I don't care about religion. Infact, I am a vehement advocate against Islamic fundamentalist which some Western countries like the US promotes. Stop portraying anybody that speaks against oppression as belonging to one religion or the other, that narrative is getting stale.

Mate, in the end, both sides agreed to the partition of India, both the Hindus and the Muslims. The Muslims wanted it more just like the Jews in 1947 because they were the minority.

There's no evidence of Palestine Arabs rejecting the proposals, the external Arab powers did the talking, Both the Muslim and the Jews knew it was practically impossible for co-habitation and division would have been acceptable by all parties.

The only reason why the Arabs leaders refused the partition of Palestine was because they thought they had the advantage of numbers and superior military apparatus, The bet was that they could crush the newly created Jewish nation with mere military force. Fast forward to today, the same people who were against the partition are now suddenly fighting for it. Why?? the Arabs are no longer in the position of strength they had in I947. The Jews have suddenly become the majority.

P.s Do your own research do you know that the most Palestine Arabs wanted the partition?? The Palestine leadership at the time wanted the separation , but the Arab leaders of Egypt, Syria and Transjordan were the ones who pressured the Palestine leadership to reject the proposal, Do you also know that The king of Transjordan King Abdullah I wanted parts of palestine as part of his own territory. he once ed the partition, he intended that the West Bank area of the British Mandate allocated for the Arab state be annexed to Jordan. king Abdullah held secret meetings with the Jewish Agency and reached an agreement of Jewish non-interference with Jordanian annexation of the West Bank.

Or was it King Farouk of Egypt who wanted all of southern Palestine to be part of Egypt?? Syria labenon and Iraq all wished to take parts of northern Palestine.

Some people have even question the legality of the Arabs leaders rejecting the UN proposal, the leaders of Egypt, Syria Transjordan, Lebanon, simply had no right to reject the proposal on behalf of palestine, a referendum would have been better. The same Arab leaders who were clamouring for an independent Palestine but blocked the formation of a Palestine government, simply because they wanted a piece of the Palestinian cake.

Bigsam99:
The way you people turn history on its head is so appalling. You claim it was the Arabs that started attacking the Jews first, knowing fully well people will believe you oncebyou draw comparison with the behavior of fundamentalists like ISIS and Boko Haram.

For the records, most of the violence started at the turn of the 20th century when European immigrants started Zionism and wanted to grab land in Palestine at all costs. I believe Menacheim Begin the terrorist was also an Arab right?

I wouldn't even bother to argue anything more with you. The violence that has been happening since time immemorial is what you claim started at the turn of the 20th century. They have never lived together in peace and I repeat, they have never lived together in peace. Go back to primary school pls.

Another difference was in the case of India and Pakistan, there were no immigrant Muslims or Hindus from Europe. Both populations are indigenous and had been living in that territory for centuries. The rapid built up of populations from Europe who are strangers as far as the Arabs are concerned, is the bone of contention. It is on record that more than 80% of the leaders demanding partition on the Jewish side were immigrants. Imagine how you would feel if that were to happen to your people.

Yes, they are demanding for it today because it is a second option in the absence of the best option. The Jews are undoubtedly stronger than them and there is nothing they can do about it. But you can't just expect them to shut up and do nothing about it.

obedience4:


Mate, in the end, both sides agreed to the partition of India, both the Hindus and the Muslims. The Muslims wanted it more just like the Jews in 1947 because they were the minority.

There's no evidence of Palestine Arabs rejecting the proposals, the external Arab powers did the talking, Both the Muslim and the Jews knew it was practically impossible for co-habitation and division would have been acceptable by all parties.

The only reason why the Arabs leaders refused the partition of Palestine was because they thought they had the advantage of numbers and superior military apparatus, The bet was that they could crush the newly created Jewish nation with mere military force. Fast forward to today, the same people who were against the partition are now suddenly fighting for it. Why?? the Arabs are no longer in the position of strength they had in I947. The Jews have suddenly become the majority.

P.s Do your own research do you know that the most Palestine Arabs wanted the partition?? The Palestine leadership at the time wanted the separation , but the Arab leaders of Egypt, Syria and Transjordan were the ones who pressured the Palestine leadership to reject the proposal, Do you also know that The king of Transjordan King Abdullah I wanted parts of palestine as part of his own territory. he once ed the partition, he intended that the West Bank area of the British Mandate allocated for the Arab state be annexed to Jordan. king Abdullah held secret meetings with the Jewish Agency and reached an agreement of Jewish non-interference with Jordanian annexation of the West Bank.

Or was it King Farouk of Egypt who wanted all of southern Palestine to be part of Egypt?? Syria labenon and Iraq all wished to take parts of northern Palestine.

Some people have even question the legality of the Arabs leaders rejecting the UN proposal, the leaders of Egypt, Syria Transjordan, Lebanon, simply had no right to reject the proposal on behalf of palestine, a referendum would have been better. The same Arab leaders who were clamouring for an independent Palestine but blocked the formation of a Palestine government, simply because they wanted a piece of the Palestinian cake.

Please forget about what the Arabs from other countries wanted. Since the dawn of history, mankind has been selfish and the greater part of the predicament stemmed from the treachery of their Arab brothers from neighbouring states. Both Egypt and Jordan wanted part of that Palestine from the onset, that is no news. I am talking about the demand of those who were residents of that land itself.

And please, Yes, Palestinian Arabs rejected the partition plan proposed in the 1940s. They opposed the very idea of partition and considered the plan unfair, particularly because it allocated a significant portion of the land to a Jewish state. Their rejection stemmed from a refusal to accept any form of partition, as their leaders did not recognize the legitimacy of such a division.

The Jews were only 30% of the population and they were given 55% of the land, including several areas that are ancestral lands to many Arabs and they will have to be displaced from their land which they had been for hundreds of years. resisting was the most natural thing to do.

Even if the UN offered 10% of the land to a Jewish state, Arabs would still have been right to reject it. The majority of the Jewish people living in Palestine were recent arrivals, who had been granted permission to settle in Palestine by a colonial power that lacked any legitimacy to allow such a thing to happen, and which was rejected by the local population which openly revolted against it. When you merely object to the proportions allocated to each state, you're implicitly giving legitimacy to the British colonial project.

obedience4:


Mate, in the end, both sides agreed to the partition of India, both the Hindus and the Muslims. The Muslims wanted it more just like the Jews in 1947 because they were the minority.

There's no evidence of Palestine Arabs rejecting the proposals, the external Arab powers did the talking, Both the Muslim and the Jews knew it was practically impossible for co-habitation and division would have been acceptable by all parties.

The only reason why the Arabs leaders refused the partition of Palestine was because they thought they had the advantage of numbers and superior military apparatus, The bet was that they could crush the newly created Jewish nation with mere military force. Fast forward to today, the same people who were against the partition are now suddenly fighting for it. Why?? the Arabs are no longer in the position of strength they had in I947. The Jews have suddenly become the majority.

P.s Do your own research do you know that the most Palestine Arabs wanted the partition?? The Palestine leadership at the time wanted the separation , but the Arab leaders of Egypt, Syria and Transjordan were the ones who pressured the Palestine leadership to reject the proposal, Do you also know that The king of Transjordan King Abdullah I wanted parts of palestine as part of his own territory. he once ed the partition, he intended that the West Bank area of the British Mandate allocated for the Arab state be annexed to Jordan. king Abdullah held secret meetings with the Jewish Agency and reached an agreement of Jewish non-interference with Jordanian annexation of the West Bank.

Or was it King Farouk of Egypt who wanted all of southern Palestine to be part of Egypt?? Syria labenon and Iraq all wished to take parts of northern Palestine.

Some people have even question the legality of the Arabs leaders rejecting the UN proposal, the leaders of Egypt, Syria Transjordan, Lebanon, simply had no right to reject the proposal on behalf of palestine, a referendum would have been better. The same Arab leaders who were clamouring for an independent Palestine but blocked the formation of a Palestine government, simply because they wanted a piece of the Palestinian cake.

If they don't live in peace, whose fault is it. Why were the immigrant Zionists carrying out terrorist attacks?

when you want to oppress a people, you first turn them to a villain. Muslims are hated world over because of Islamic fundametalism. So, the moment you label these people as terrorists, nobody will believe they deserve any justice even if they were right. Till today, Jewish settlers still continue to kill unharmed Palestinian Arabs both Muslims and Christians. Am I lying?

Gbadebo19:

I wouldn't even bother to argue anything more with you. The violence that has been happening since time immemorial is what you claim started at the turn of the 20th century. They have never lived together in peace and I repeat, they have never lived together in peace. Go back to primary school pls.

Bigsam99:
Thank God you itted that the Indian National Congress agreef to it. Did the Palestinian Arabs agree to the partition of Palestine? They said they don't want partitioning. More tjan 70 percent of the population resisted it, still the world powers carved up half of their country.

And please stop trying to portray me as a Muslim defender. I don't care about religion. Infact, I am a vehement advocate against Islamic fundamentalist which some Western countries like the US promotes. Stop portraying anybody that speaks against oppression as belonging to one religion or the other, that narrative is getting stale.

maybe you just choose to ignore the word "compromise" and picked the "agreed"....…I just want to debunked what you said about the India and Pakistan


And you claiming to be a Christian......😂😂😂
Brother you need to stop the lamba. This is a faceless forum, anyone can claim anything. I am not trying to portray you as a Muslim defender, you already are. Also I don't have problem with any religion, your religion is your problem. Christianity, Islam or anything your serve, na your problem.


The Gaza situation was caused by some greedy, intolerant, dumb Arab/Muslim. The piece of land does not belong to the arabs in the first place they won it through conquest.
The land was named Palestine by the Romans just to spite the Jews for God sake and you are defending what is not adding up with fake example.

The same Palestinians that no other Arab/Muslim countries want is what you are defending. The same Arabs/Muslims that cause their suffering. The same Palestinians that celebrate Oct 7 like winning a world cup, the same Palestinians that were living on a free mode before Oct 7. Blame the arabs for what is happening in Gaza stop blaming the Jews, the Jew have the right like any other countries to defend themselves at anytime and anyplace.

I am not portraying you as anything but with some of what you have said on this thread it is clear to the blind your affiliation, bro you are trying to rewrite history just to favour one side. And I believe people like you are only against oppression when it is not in your favour

Bigsam99:
If they don't live in peace, whose fault is it. Why were the immigrant Zionists carrying out terrorist attacks?

when you want to oppress a people, you first turn them to a villain. Muslims are hated world over because of Islamic fundametalism. So, the moment you label these people as terrorists, nobody will believe they deserve any justice even if they were right. Till today, Jewish settlers still continue to kill unharmed Palestinian Arabs both Muslims and Christians. Am I lying?

Whenever anything has to do with the word "peace", Never mention a Muslim. Both the extremists and the so called "moderate" are all birds of a feather. The ones called "moderate" are mere terrorists in sleeper mode waiting for activation. We have many of them on this thread claiming to be "moderate."

Please take your fallacies elsewhere. You can decide to be a Muslim hater or anything you like, I don't hate anybody, I only hate oppression. I detest Islamic fundamentalists like Boko Haram as much as I detest Zionists. They are both terrorists as far as I am concerned. I don't even care how you see me, that is your business.

Now, let me address your assertions:

1. Please rephrase that term, ' the land does not belong to them'. The Hebrews have not been on that land as a race for 2,000 years. there have been Jews there, and they deserve equal rights as much as the Muslim Arabs too. Mind you, both the Jews and Muslims of Palestine were called Arabs prior to Zionism. It was not the fault of the Arabs that the Hebrew state was destroyed. The Hebrew kingdom was not the first kingdom to be destroyed in ancient times. Why is none of us whose ancestors migrated from somewhere in ancient times not returning to that place to displace the inhabitants? We are in modern times, and the era of military conquests for its sake is over. The Palestinians didn't make international laws, it's the western powers that are violating it for the Jews.

2. Now, to discuss who the land originally belonged to, it was not even the Hebrews originally. It belonged to an ancient people called Canaanites whom the israelites of old massacred in the Bible. Now, there are some African tribes like the Ijebu, who claim descent from these ancient Canaanites that the Hebrews destroyed. Is it justified for the Ijebus to go back and claim Jerusalem?

3. Oct 7 was not an action, it was a reaction to oppression. I hate Hamas' tactics but it was as a result of continous oppression in the hands of the Israeli state. We once had a more peaceful Fatah which Israel weakened so that Hamas would take over. Netanyahu himself said it is better they continue to Hamas against Fatah to jeopardise the 2 state solution. What is happening is a war of conquest being ed by the powers that be. I want to imagine what would happen when power changes hands in the future.

sainttwist1:
maybe you just choose to ignore the word "compromise" and picked the "agreed"....…I just want to debunked what you said about the India and Pakistan


And you claiming to be a Christian......😂😂😂
Brother you need to stop the lamba. This is a faceless forum, anyone can claim anything. I am not trying to portray you as a Muslim defender, you already are. Also I don't have problem with any religion, your religion is your problem. Christianity, Islam or anything your serve, na your problem.


The Gaza situation was caused by some greedy, intolerant, dumb Arab/Muslim. The piece of land does not belong to the arabs in the first place they won it through conquest.
The land was named Palestine by the Romans just to spite the Jews for God sake and you are defending what is not adding up with fake example.

The same Palestinians that no other Arab/Muslim countries want is what you are defending. The same Arabs/Muslims that cause their suffering. The same Palestinians that celebrate Oct 7 like winning a world cup, the same Palestinians that were living on a free mode before Oct 7. Blame the arabs for what is happening in Gaza stop blaming the Jews, the Jew have the right like any other countries to defend themselves at anytime and anyplace.

I am not portraying you as anything but with some of what you have said on this thread it is clear to the blind your affiliation, bro you are trying to rewrite history just to favour one side. And I believe people like you are only against oppression when it is not in your favour

It amazes me that people are still arguing over these Abrahamic religions. They were all fabricated by egocentric, barbaric mass murderers to justify their tyranny. The Jews founded it to justify their mass murder of an indigenous population and take over their lands. The Christians used it to keep their population in darkness and to consolidate power. Islam was also founded to unify Arabia and take over surrounding territories.

The thing is that while Christians eventually adopted a reformed, pussified watered down version of their faith after thousands had been burnt to death, crucified, stoned to death, and beheaded, a great chunk of Muslims insist on maintaining Muhammad's legacy of unwarranted violence and oppression against disbelievers. Muslims would tell you that their prophet fought for self-defense, but that's just lies. All 'peaceful and defensive verses'' in the Quran, most of which were 'revealed' in Mecca when Muhammad had no power, were subsequently abbrogated by the violent ones that came in Media. By Islamic law, anybody that doesn't believe in Allah is to be killed although Jews and Christians can be kept in humiliation and be made to pay taxes. Even with such a condition, Muhammad kicked 2 Jewish tribes out of Media and and got rid of the third one by beheading all their adult males (by adult, I mean those with pubic hair) and enslaving their women and children. Joshua and David did the same thing against innocent people.

I'm sorry if this offends you, but this is the painful truth. I am tired of these nonsensical religious arguments. This is not a one-sided thing. Muslims, Christians, and Jews have been taught that their blood is more precious than those of other mortals, so they struggle to recognize injustice unless they are at the receiving end.

Anybody that goes past the 20th century to justify Israel's actions is irrational and can best be described as a dumb religious extremist. What we are seeing in Palestine is a bunch of Jewish supremacists oppressing and terrorizing a defenceless population and we have 'intellectuals' here who think their morals are superior to those of Boko Haram justifying their actions.

Thank you soo much. I am shocked that the same people who are repulsed by the horrors of Islamic fundamentalism are justifying Jewish supremacy.

I refuse to be brainwashed by religion.

FoolishBoy419:
It amazes me that people are still arguing over these Abrahamic religions. They were all fabricated by egocentric, barbaric mass murderers to justify their tyranny. The Jews founded it to justify their mass murder of an indigenous population and take over their lands. The Christians used it to keep their population in darkness and to consolidate power. Islam was also founded to unify Arabia and take over surrounding territories.

The thing is that while Christians eventually adopted a reformed, pussified watered down version of their faith after thousands had been burnt to death, crucified, stoned to death, and beheaded, a great chunk of Muslims insist on maintaining Muhammad's legacy of unwarranted violence and oppression against disbelievers. Muslims would tell you that their prophet fought for self-defense, but that's just lies. All 'peaceful and defensive verses'' in the Quran, most of which were 'revealed' in Mecca when Muhammad had no power, were subsequently abbrogated by the violent ones that came in Media. By Islamic law, anybody that doesn't believe in Allah is to be killed although Jews and Christians can be kept in humiliation and be made to pay taxes. Even with such a condition, Muhammad kicked 2 Jewish tribes out of Media and and got rid of the third one by beheading all their adult males (by adult, I mean those with pubic hair) and enslaving their women and children. Joshua and David did the same thing against innocent people.

I'm sorry if this offends you, but this is the painful truth. I am tired of these nonsensical religious arguments. This is not a one-sided thing. Muslims, Christians, and Jews have been taught that their blood is more precious than those of other mortals, so they struggle to recognize injustice unless they are at the receiving end.

Anybody that goes past the 20th century to justify Israel's actions is irrational and can best be described as a dumb religious extremist. What we are seeing in Palestine is a bunch of Jewish supremacists oppressing and terrorizing a defenceless population and we have 'intellectuals' here who think their morals are superior to those of Boko Haram justifying their actions.

Thank you for finally revealing yourself. it you have nothing but vile contempt for over 1 billion people on earth.

I do agree that islam as it is practiced, has a lot of reforming to do, just like Chritianity was hundreds of years ago. I am not a religious person and just believe that these Abrahamic religions are used to brainwash us but I still respect humanity, whichever religion you adhere to. You cannot pre-determine that anybody who is a Muslim is evil and therefore, deserves no justice. With that principle, you are already an extremist. Period.

Gbadebo19:

Whenever anything has to do with the word "peace", Never mention a Muslim. Both the extremists and the so called "moderate" are all birds of a feather. The ones called "moderate" are mere terrorists in sleeper mode waiting for activation. We have many of them on this thread claiming to be "moderate."

Bigsam99:
Thank you soo much. I am shocked that the same people who are repulsed by the horrors of Islamic fundamentalism are justifying Jewish supremacy.

I refuse to be brainwashed by religion.

Search any thread featuring a terrorist attack on a mosque and see the reactions. Here's one:

https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/2019719/update-more-than-200-people/11

After the Pulse Nightclub shooting in 2016, most muslims and Christians I came across either celebrated it or acted nonchalantly. Why? Because it was a gay club.

Check out some comments in this thread too:

https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/8430566/man-burnt-bible-posted-video

The same people would be quick to condemn muslims (and rightly so) for killing over blasphemy.

If it wasn't "Gods children" killing people in Palestine and Palestinians weren't muslims, Israelis would be treated like Nazis wherever they go on earth. Hamas violence pales in comparison to what Israel and their pay masters have been doing since 1945.

Bigsam99:
Its either you reason with your anus or you are so malicious that you would see white and call it black. Wake up bro, people around you are not as you.

You said it was Arabs that left their homes because they want to 'drive the Jews to the sea' and I explained how stupid that statement was because it is on record that the Arabs left because the Jews were killing them during the Nakba. Today, the Gazans are trying to avoid leaving because they know that's what the Israelis want so they can take over Gaźa. It's like another Nakba.

That is why they are enduring untold suffering just because they don't want to run away again.

Okay are you saying the Arabs did not tell the Palestinians to evacuate? Because it's a known fact. True some left due to the fear of being killed by Israelis. But then others left because they were ordered by the Arabs to leave so they don't get caught in the cross fire. You called it a massacre the majority of deaths in that war were combatants.

Bigsam99:
Thank you for finally revealing yourself. it you have nothing but vile contempt for over 1 billion people on earth.

I do agree that islam as it is practiced, has a lot of reforming to do, just like Chritianity was hundreds of years ago. I am not a religious person and just believe that these Abrahamic religions are used to brainwash us but I still respect humanity, whichever religion you adhere to. You cannot pre-determine that anybody who is a Muslim is evil and therefore, deserves no justice. With that principle, you are already an extremist. Period.

Contempt for over 1 billion people? Their population doesn't matter. It is their fundamental ideas that matter. There is a reason why Yoruba people call Islam "esin imole" which means "religion of tough ideology." Even if they are 1 trillion, as long as their fundamental ideas are about killing and killing, it is a no no for me.
You don't preach and tell me what a religion I practiced for over 20 years teaches. You are just being tactically bred for their sinister mission or should I say being brainwashed to see something good about it. I practiced it for over 20 years before finding my bearings. Get lost!!!
And I will say it, you are just seeing the extremists alone and that's why you are mentioning Boko Haram et al, those ones who are not Boko Haram will kill another jew if the slightest of reason arises.
We have them in Nigeria. They killed Deborah Samuel for what? The abuja woman evangelist was killed for what? What was the offense of southern Kaduna people where the majority was xtians? And these are who you claim are being labeled? The above incidents were perpetrated by the same people you would call "moderate"
What nonsense are you even saying? People who kill themselves for mere disagreement on what they claim their own prophet said or didn't say? Salafists will kill Sunni and Sunni will kill Shia. If they are doing that, why won't they kill any other religion? Why are you now hypocritically and sickly worried that they are labeled, it is something they've been doing for thousands of years.

Bigsam99:
Please take your fallacies elsewhere. You can decide to be a Muslim hater or anything you like, I don't hate anybody, I only hate oppression. I detest Islamic fundamentalists like Boko Haram as much as I detest Zionists. They are both terrorists as far as I am concerned. I don't even care how you see me, that is your business.

Now, let me address your assertions:

1. Please rephrase that term, ' the land does not belong to them'. The Hebrews have not been on that land as a race for 2,000 years. there have been Jews there, and they deserve equal rights as much as the Muslim Arabs too. Mind you, both the Jews and Muslims of Palestine were called Arabs prior to Zionism. It was not the fault of the Arabs that the Hebrew state was destroyed. The Hebrew kingdom was not the first kingdom to be destroyed in ancient times. Why is none of us whose ancestors migrated from somewhere in ancient times not returning to that place to displace the inhabitants? We are in modern times, and the era of military conquests for its sake is over. The Palestinians didn't make international laws, it's the western powers that are violating it for the Jews.

2. Now, to discuss who the land originally belonged to, it was not even the Hebrews originally. It belonged to an ancient people called Canaanites whom the israelites of old massacred in the Bible. Now, there are some African tribes like the Ijebu, who claim descent from these ancient Canaanites that the Hebrews destroyed. Is it justified for the Ijebus to go back and claim Jerusalem?

3. Oct 7 was not an action, it was a reaction to oppression. I hate Hamas' tactics but it was as a result of continous oppression in the hands of the Israeli state. We once had a more peaceful Fatah which Israel weakened so that Hamas would take over. Netanyahu himself said it is better they continue to Hamas against Fatah to jeopardise the 2 state solution. What is happening is a war of conquest being ed by the powers that be. I want to imagine what would happen when power changes hands in the future.

😂😂😂😂😂😂 you need to stop this...... your emotions dey betray you. Your religion your problem, I don't care.

The land does not belong to the Palestinians/arabs, they won it through conquest and in 1948 they lost the land through the same conquest, simple.

One thing I noticed about you is that you don't understand a thing you are saying....... maybe you are doing it for political correctness or maybe afflictions or you heard from someone/someone told you so........
Your knowledge of history and real world is somehow......

Thank God you know for every action there is same or greater amount of reaction.........the situation in Gaza is as a result of Palestinians/arab actions on October 7.

And if you really hate oppression, we have Muslims in china, christians in Pakistan, christians in northern Nigeria (that is even close to you), alphabet people in Arab/Muslim/Russia countries etc go and fight for their rights.

😂😂😂😂😂😂you hate oppression yet na only one set of people you see

SMH. Go back to your history books. The Jews were ruled by the Romans and it was the Romans under Titus that finally destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD. Islam and the great Arab conquest did not start until 5 centuries later. When Islam spread through conquest, there were several populations that were not originally Arabic but became Muslims. 2,000 years is an incredibly long time, longer than the existence of either Benin or Oyo empire, longer than the existence of Yoruba or Igbo as ethnic groups. Why is anybody holding on to something from 2,000 years ago. It is just simple brainwashing and you lot keep falling for it. Enjoy it.

sainttwist1:
😂😂😂😂😂😂 you need to stop this...... your emotions dey betray you. Your religion your problem, I don't care.

The land does not belong to the Palestinians/arabs, they won it through conquest and in 1948 they lost the land through the same conquest, simple.

One thing I noticed about you is that you don't understand a thing you are saying....... maybe you are doing it for political correctness or maybe afflictions or you heard from someone/someone told you so........
Your knowledge of history and real world is somehow......

Thank God you know for every action there is same or greater amount of reaction.........the situation in Gaza is as a result of Palestinians/arab actions on October 7.

And if you really hate oppression, we have Muslims in china, christians in Pakistan, christians in northern Nigeria (that is even close to you), alphabet people in Arab/Muslim/Russia countries etc go and fight for their rights.

😂😂😂😂😂😂you hate oppression yet na only one set of people you see

Let me tell you, most people in all Abrahamicb religions will rejoice when misfirtune happens to people of the opposing religion. Its the way we have been brainwashed since birth. Uou have been persecuted by Muslims and so every Muslim you see is evil. So also is a Moslim who sees whats happening in Iraq, Afghanistan and Gaza.

Gbadebo19:

Contempt for over 1 billion people? Their population doesn't matter. It is their fundamental ideas that matter. There is a reason why Yoruba people call Islam "esin imole" which means "religion of tough ideology." Even if they are 1 trillion, as long as their fundamental ideas are about killing and killing, it is a no no for me.
You don't preach and tell me what a religion I practiced for over 20 years teaches. You are just being tactically bred for their sinister mission or should I say being brainwashed to see something good about it. I practiced it for over 20 years before finding my bearings. Get lost!!!
And I will say it, you are just seeing the extremists alone and that's why you are mentioning Boko Haram et al, those ones who are not Boko Haram will kill another jew if the slightest of reason arises.
We have them in Nigeria. They killed Deborah Samuel for what? The abuja woman evangelist was killed for what? What was the offense of southern Kaduna people where the majority was xtians? And these are who you claim are being labeled? The above incidents were perpetrated by the same people you would call "moderate"
What nonsense are you even saying? People who kill themselves for mere disagreement on what they claim their own prophet said or didn't say? Salafists will kill Sunni and Sunni will kill Shia. If they are doing that, why won't they kill any other religion? Why are you now hypocritically and sickly worried that they are labeled, it is something they've been doing for thousands of years.

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