NewStats: 3,264,094 , 8,182,581 topics. Date: Monday, 09 June 2025 at 04:21 PM j4b5z

budaatum:

Perhaps it's impossible for you to get because you think it is basic and therefore requires no effort on your part, but let me try once more.

I am reading the Holy Bible, a book that has been compiled and translated from previous books, and which has gone through numerous rewrites, redacts, additions, translations, syncretisms, omissions, etc etc, etc. Is it not true that the israelites would say that the Holy Bible that I am reading is not the Tanakh about their god of the Israelite yahweh, but some book that was corrupted from their Tanakh?

There's a certain individual called Jesus in the Holy Bible I am reading for instance, but I don't think he exists in the Tanakh, or does he?

It's semantic likely, and a rabbit hole you want to drag me down, but I don't think reading the Holy Bible is the same as reading the Tanakh because, even as you have pointed out, logos might not exactly mean dabar (hebrew).

Okay bud.

budaatum:


Does Tanakh mean Holy Bible?

If I read the King James Version of the Holy Bible am I reading the Tanakh too?

What does “holy bible” mean?
Holy means whole/ complete, Bible means books.
It means whole/complete book.

Yes. If you read the kjv which contains the New Testament and tanakh, you are reading the tanakh.
This are basics, wow!

kkins25:
Maynnman, you dey all over the place.. You've been repeating your sentences over and over again.

I tire too.

Tanakh literally means hebrew Bible.

budaatum:

I'll tell you. But first a correction to your question, for you really should ask why are we, you Mayn, and I buda both interested in middle East gods. After all, we are both interested.

My interest in not in any god at this particular moment, but in a particular book because that is the underpinning ideology of a large number of those I share a country with, and being one who has an interest in Buddhism, i would have an interest in the books that are of interest to those in my surrounding as taught one should by Buddhism.

Do know that in order to understand the book that is of interest to those in my surrounding, which is the Holy Bible and not the Tanakh, knowledge of Greek philosophy (which is what their gods died and evolved into) is a requisite requirement as is Atum out of Egypt? Yet, one must not stop there unless one's interests is in gods as opposed to an interest in people which is what drives me.

If one's interest is in people, one might end up studying every single religion one can be bothered to invest the time into so one can further understand people instead of one God called the yahweh of the shasu tribe. Still, how I wished we had evolved to talk about 0hilosiohy or science instead of being stuck at 5he religious stage of evolution

Now tell. Why do you have an interest in books about middle east god?


Do you seriously qualify to judge?

No Mayn. I am not a lover of argument, which is why I give up responding to you eventually. What seems like arguing to you is me pointing out that difference but I eventually always accept that you can't see that. See how I am discussing a book that is read by many Nigerians but you think I am talking about a god of the tribe of shasu called yahweh.

Okay, bud.

budaatum:




Sounds pre Septuagint (c. 3rd century BCE) to me.

They are greek words, they first appear in the septuagint bible to replace hebrew dabar.
You just want to talk, Your ignorance is glaring.

Septuagint is a BIBLE, I have to break it down for you lol

budaatum:


First, you do know that there are many sects of Jews with various diverse and different explanations of their book? Which one do you suggest I go to?

Second. This thread is not about "answers on the Tanakh". If anything, it is about 'answers on the Bible', which is not the Tanakh, but even then it is not about answers, yet, but about questions.

And, no, I do not need to go to a Jewish person to explain a book I can read for myself and do my own research about. You would hopefully not tell me to go to a Christian to explain the New Testament to me or to an English person to explain the King James or to Achebe for an explanation of Things unless you want my head to be brainwashed, so why ask me to go get my head brain washed by anyone when I can read for myself and do my own research which would include what Jews might have written if my current focus were "answers on the Tanakh" which it isn't?


Yet, some of us read books about Obatala written by non-yorubas who bothered to do their research because we think it unwise to go and meet anybody anywhere to explain anything to us when we can exercise our own minds and own brains and find understanding for ourselves!

But maybe I lie. Please tell me if all you post was explained to you or is the product of your own research done with your own eyes and your own mind.

Which set of jews? Mention them
Who are the jews?
Where do they come from?

Bible means book, we have the Christian book and the jewish book called tanakh. Lol

Read what i wrote slowly, especially the highlighted.
If someone explains something to you that means you’ve been brainwashed? And besides , i said go and meet a jew not a Judaist.

“You are quoting the bereSHIT in the tanakh, if you sincerely need answers on the tanakh you’d go and meet the Jewish people to explain their BOOK for you in the original language. (god, genesis, light, darkness, good etc are all ENGLISH WORDS)”

Why you so interested in middle east gods, why not Greek gods like zeus? They also have a book about “beginning” seems that’s what excite you?

You are a lover of argument.

This are the Israelite, yahweh is the god of the israelite, and the tanakh is about the god of Israelite, yahweh.

budaatum:

It was you who mentioned them! You tell.


That is Greek adoption to me, after giving them Greekism. What a noble exchange.


Now let's get one thing clear. I am reading the Bible which does include the Tanakh which went through numerous rewrites, redacts, additions, translations, syncretism, omissions, etc etc, etc, before the New Testament which also went through numerous fabrications and rewrites, redacts, additions, translations, syncretism, omissions, etc etc, etc, was created and added to it.


And I am talking about Genesis 1 in a book called the Holy Bible, and not about some imaginary deity some may or may not have written about, as you'd find if you read.

Seriously. I do wish you'd note the difference.

They just translated the book to greek language that’s all, the same way william tyndale translated the New Testament(sinaticus and vatican) and tanakh(masoteric text) to English. It’s not “vetus latina”
Nawa oo

The books in the tanakh were not written Or complied at the same time.
They went through canon, so as the New Testament.
This is getting boring.

If you read the book of bereSHIT in the original language you’ll see the Yahweh.


Seriously I’d wish you know what you are talking about. You just want to talk.

elated177:



I have no time for fruitless discourse with you. The message has gone out and those it is meant for will get it. I owe you nothing. Now, go and look for someone else to suckle you.

I commented on a thread it was you that quoted me, I’m lost?
You started the fruitless discourse, yahweh worshipper.

elated177:


You are always all over the place. Are you a worshipper of Baal?

It’s like you asking me, “are you a worshipper of Hulk”

You see how weird it is?

What’s vetus Latina or you mean codex vaticanus lol

Who are the Israelite?

budaatum:

No. I said it "went through numerous rewrites, redacts, additions, translations, syncretism, omissions, etc etc, etc". So I am obviously not saying the Israelites wrote the book I am reading.


Are you are saying I am reading a book that began in Egypt?


You'd think I'd know this won't you, since the English version is only about 400 years old.


A book about yahweh that the tribe of shasu got from Egypt and that was adopted by the Jews?

Amazing isn't it, especially considering the Greeks then adopted it from the Jews (the Septuagint) and gave it to the Romans (Vetus Latina) who spread it around the world including the English which I am now reading..


Don't you think I should rather go to the tribe of shasu who gave it to the Jewish people, or to the source in Egypt where the shasu got it from so they can explain it in the language they gave it to the tribe of shasu in before it was given to the Jews?


That's probably why it's worth reading, but let me ask you again.

Who are the “Israelite”? When was “israEL” created?
Cherry picking questions to answers?

The greeks didn’t adopt it, the jewish book in hebrew language was translated into greek language by the order of alexandria as greek was the predominant language in israel that time.
And Septuagint only contained the TANAKH, no New Testament inside!
The jews uses the MASORETIC text not septuagint lol.

When was Tanakh and new testaments created that shasu tribe or ancient egypt will be using it?
Who said anything about book from Egypt or shasu tribe,did you think that the writings in the tanakh was written and complied at the same time?
I’m talking about the deity, READ!
You don’t know difference between yahweh of shasu tribe and jewish book(tanakh)?

Who are the “Israelite”? When was “israEL” created?
Are you saying “Israelites” wrote the books?
Yahweh is a Tetragrammaton of YHWH.

Who said anything about “shasu tribe” except “Yahweh of shasu tribe”, Yahweh was adopted by the Israelite from the shasu tribe(cannanite) and shasu tribe got the yahweh from Egypt.

There’s a whole history out there instead of ASSUMING like a misosopher.

The book you are reading was not originally written in english, and it’s a VERSION of the book that you are reading.
Note: It’s a jewish book(Tanakh) meant for the jews.
if you sincerely need answers on the tanakh you’d go and meet the Jewish people to explain their BOOK for you in the original language. (god, genesis, light, beginning, darkness, good etc are all ENGLISH WORDS).

The book you are reading also contains poems and Gnostic sayings bwahahahah

elated177:



What is your point?

Y’all have altars in the church And shrine also means church/ecclesial.
Why you angry over another deity shrine?
Later y’all will be shouting Blasphemy.
You are a theist the same way a baal worshipper is a theist, you’re no better.
Before “jesus” was born, church/eccelsia already existed in the Roman Empire.

apstpaulg:
Read my post on SPIRITUALITY vs RELIGIOSITY
Or more still, for a matured discussion on the subject, call me. Thanks

Do you know the origin of the word “spiritual” and “religion”?
Just saying bogus words to make yourself feel better.

Y’all have altars in the church too. And shrine also means church/ecclesial.

Mtcheeew, Misosopher.

Because yahweh is not, he is only the god of the israelite, his father El is the god of adam and noah.

It’s a shame theist.
Do you know what theist is? A sango, hubal or yahweh worshipper are theists.
God/god is a title not a person, you are a yahweh worshipper.

A ogun worshipper can also use your lines.
“ They believe that they have the Right to demand that Ogun God manifest to them, and give them Understanding they have not earned.”

God is a title not a person, so I think you are talking about the Israelite god cum the Christian god, Yahweh.

Logos and rhema are common greek words and it first appeared in the Septuagint to translate dabar(hebrew).
Nothing special about it.
Logos means written words. Rhema means spoken words.
Don’t let foreign languages (hebrew and greek) deceive you.

You are quoting the bereSHIT in the tanakh, if you sincerely need answers on the tanakh you’d go and meet the Jewish people to explain their BOOK for you in the original language. (god, genesis, light, darkness, good etc are all ENGLISH WORDS)



In yoruba mythology it was obatala that created humans and earth, it will be unwise for me to go and meet a jew or a roman to explain who is obatala and yoruba mythology.

budaatum:


Do you know the authors of the book I am quoting?

You answered yourself, bud.

Did you read the Pali Dhammapada in English Language?

budaatum:


I don't know the authors Maynman, but that has never stopped me reading books I do not know the authors. Apart from reading books that the covers and title age had been torn off, some even missing half the book, I have read books that are of unknown authors. The Pali Dhammapada being one amongst many as is the Corpus Hermeticum. They were obviously written by people, just that they are not known.

Do you now the authors of the book I am quoting?

You answered yourself, bud.
Corpus Hermeticum Is said to be written by Hermes Trismegistos.
Did you read the Pali Dhammapada in English English?

budaatum:


Yes, I am reading a book which according to you, i don't know its author, and you have not exactly said who the author of the book is so I guess you don't know it's author neither, but please note that this would not be the first book I have read without knowing it's author. I very regularly read books that had the title pages and authors missing.

There was no time i said you don’t know the author, maybe you should read what i said again and stop assuming.
According to you do you know the authors of the Jewish book in particular bereSHIT you are quoting?

You the one quoting the jewish book in particular bereSHIT(genesis)not me.
And the jewish book is about “HE”, Yahweh of shasu tribe, son of El and Asheera.
They are mythologies!
The “tanakh” was created through canon, we have other books that didn’t make it inside, so as the New Testament too, the earliest New Testament, sinaiticus is the most corrected book in history and that’s where you find logos and rhema which was used to translate dabar in Hebrew.
Imagine oo, Too many errors to correct inside “word of god(Yahweh)

And not to forget that before Christianity was created and started using the tanakh as Old Testament (“genesis” is a greek and latin word, bereSHIT is the correct one before it was translated) it’s already been in use in Judaism, and Judaism comes from yahwism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism

Which books did you read that have no authors?