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macof: ^^^ Still has nothing to offer

Thanks, WILL YOU OFFER ME THE ASSIGNMENT I GAVE YOU? DARWIN BOY, 'APES-OBEY!' HEY! you ARE FADING OFF MACOF. GO BACK HOME AND DO YOUR ASSIGNMENT AND HOMEWORK, then pick a better attitude next time you .

Now the word Orisha, word for word derived from two words, 'Ori' and 'Sa'. Ori is Yoruba for head or seer. Sa on the other hand stands for selection. Together the word simply means those 'selected by the seer' or, 'selected by the head.'This simple definition now lean on Yoruba history to attain factual comprehension.

The case may have been different if Copanicus or Galilei had been Yoruba. But they were not. Now Europeans sought to describe Yoruba iconic characters, whose historionics are relatively obscure to records and, they ended up creating a 'mindset' that will make the icons become far remove from the culture they helped birthed. Some of our own undermine bit and piece memorials built around such icons in oral records to sound erudite.

First, the Yoruba did not have the concept of 'god'. Such concept is exotic approach to Yoruba pantheon, which is another 'deity-centric' lexis. Well medieval Europe have her fair share of 'gods' on and before the common era. The West named days of the week after some of her idols and gods, and the same goes for planetry bodies and nebulars.

It's okay to solve good mystery, that's the bait. Its my way of cultural activism, engaging the mind with Yoruba intellectual culture that has elude us for epochs. Welcome to intellectual (open) secret. First my semantic approach is 'no brainer'. Won't use mystery to solve mystery when the world has unsolved mystery enough. The trick is linear: 'solute+solvent=solution'.

One of the most puzzling word in Yoruba lexicon, orisha has always been an imponderable. What does the word mean? That's the million naira question. As usual, your one and only itk, a la 'prodigal son' has gone uprooting words again. Haba you no dey taya?

You ought to invoke some great names that the culture has produce as an avenue of truly inspiring the Igbos with the thread.

The world revolve around you and your feelings, macof, you are the reflection of what you see in others. when you point accusing fingers at people without critical review of their works, it can only mean you lack intellectual clout to engage them in constructive review of their work. You are a mud fighter, knowledge has vindicated me because I have done my homework before nairaland went up. The thread on Yoruba names you put up is plaigerised from an old book, and you did not acknowledge the author. You don't have stuff baby, go fight bible or yahweh as you always do, Yoruba is too profound for you. Start your own thread if you are not a quack. WHERE IS THE ASSIGNMENT I GAVE YOU? EHN? AND YOU CLAIM YOU KNOW! 'STUPIRANTUM' IS ANOTHER NAME FOR WURU-WURU TO THE ANSWER. Hello o?

Our quests for success start all the way from childhood. Way back, we anticipated the good life and our prosperous destiny. Life is beautiful and future is promising to us as kids. We always know that soon, our life will blossom.

Life has been faithful in that we are preserved and nurtured to growth. But only few among us kept to the dreams of the great future we foresaw as kids. The rest had let go of the dream in chaos of daily living.

Such spirits could have met with success if they had followed through with their childhood dreams, believing it to be possible. All our dreams are attainable, but not all of us have the tenacity to stay our quest.

We often miss the dream via poor judgments, based on challenges at hand. We start living and deciding all we do on our own faulty premises of not enough resources to go for our dreams.

We gradually halt our pace to push towards our destined glory by not questioning our answers. We become attached to the moment and its pains. Then we sail with time from the environment of our dreams by many miles.

Then we finally arrive at a distance, a long gulf now exists between us and the dream, so we give up. Well I think we have to, sound so bad but, the dream has become impossible as great time has ed and event has overtaken the relevance of our dreams.
More so, we look at our lives and wonder why we are in such a fix and find someone or something to blame. We never ask “how can I become who I wanted to become?”And that would have made all the difference. A stitch in time saves nine.

My peers and I would say, “I want to be a doctor”, “I want to be a lawyer” “I want to be a pilot!” and so on. No one among us ask how can we be a ... At the end we say how we wish we can. The pride may be the problem.

Of course, we should have...we could have....we would have...ahrg! That is the usual bail-out. What we did is, we did nothing, but time kept ticking, ticking away for ever. We were only hoping on hope. Why? Of course, money is the problem. And that is it. The problem is the problem, not [i]we.

Who is focusing on the problem now?

Whatever you focus also focus on you brethren. When I say money is the problem, I get a good feeling that I am right, but the good result instantly evade me for being right. I choose good feeling over good result. Like the popular version, "government is the problem", "god is the problem", "witches are the problem", "poverty is the problem", "education is the problem", "Nigerian factor is the problem".

How about You being the problem? Have you ever met the enemy within?

I can choose to be right or have the right result. For once, I am right to think that money is my problem. Don’t I know what my problem is? But wait, who has the problem, me or money for instance? I am the one with the problem; I make myself unattractive[/i]to money somewhere somehow, in my mind. So I have the no-money flu!

Soon I keep repeating my mind set, and keep getting instance [i]good feeling that I am right, I'm not the only one in this predicament. It feels so good men, the world is unfair to us. And so, little by little (later) good result kept evading me. At last, my dreams become a bye word. I did myself in for not minding my business but minding my problems.

Soon I felt I really don't deserve my dream, I'm not born with silver spoon. But I don't say it that way, I rather say, you know, i am suppose to be great but, they have seen my star. who are they? if that excuse is not good enough, I will create another one, loading...

Back in time as children, we believe just like you too that there is nothing God cannot do, but we never ask God to do anything for us in this respect nor did we do anything in line with what we want.

Of course, there is nothing God cannot do, you are right. Hug and handshake, granted. But isn't this a poor man’s excuse all along, that God will come to the rescue at the nick of time? God has done everything already, what can you do? Period.

The drift is these, whatever you want, go for it. Pray on your way as you go. Do not sit back and say, ‘there is nothing God cannot do,’ God is not your (or my) employee. You do what you must do, and then God will crown your effort. It is as simple as that.

Something has already taken effect in us as little people, a visualization of our glorious destiny. A glorious destiny is our childhood quest. Meantime that’s what an age like that is meant for, catching a dream of a lifetime.

Thanks for your time,
But,

Create a culture of success for yourself as you move forward in life. See you at the top!

Yours faithfully,

Ladi Akinleye.

A good instance of stretching back all tradition to source is when Awori, which simply means "the seer saw it", whose tradition ought to spring from Iwori in Ifa rather look elsewhere and came up with a migration from Ife, following a "juju-plate". Then the juju-plate sank somewhere and the place came to be call "awori" meaning the plate sank . If that is how to wrought history, it behooves on us to re-validate our history going through the extra material resource offer in our language and traditions.

And so, the history of Yoruba is akin to a broken pot, each and every Yoruba polity holds a potsherd that must be brought together and harnessed to make what can be called Yoruba History. No need labeling some as aborigin and savage that the invaders conquer.

Its a big work in futility to assume we can write Yoruba history on the premise that Ife or Oyo tradition is enough, others don't count or one must "stretch all tradition back to the cradle". Such pride is the problem of Yoruba scholarship on nairaland and elsewhere. God helps whoever think otherwise.

Now as to other places existing outside Ife, we know that it is often speculated that Oduduwa met Orunmila at Ife. My community is known as ale ife , among her core traditionalists. Now Yoruba would say, Ado nile Ifa[/i]or "[i]Ewi nle Ado" in reference to Orunmila. The historic Ado can be any of the present ones in Yoruba, and it does applied that at the time of Oduduwa, Orunmila was, and he has his stead outside Today Ife.

Except, of course Ife is the same place called Ado. Then it follows that Ado was a contemporary place with Ife since Orunmila is assume as contemporary of Oduduwa. Meanwhile there are different Ado at different places in Yorubaland. What about places that are not so called, what historical restriction stop them from existing? We are the ones avoiding an angle as this to protect the the obvious. For the little we know now seems enough, we can stretch it to do many things.

But truth is not always dangerous, it may end up in our favour more often, so why panic at telling or receiving truth? Why would Yoruba call different place the same name? Backup. In case one did not survive to tell the story, one will. But also, if one get the story wrong, the ancestors can always be sure there is a backup to look up to.

macof:

Where have I ever claimed atheism? assumptions again like usually.

I do wat ever I am comfortable with but when it comes to uncertain history u don't base on assumptions.

there's no evidence of any outside Ile-Ife origin...

Dear readers, kindly click on 'ladionline' or 'macof', then go through our posts and encounters so far. Thanks.

Hello macof, everyone have an angle. You just said 'uncertain history' up there, how do you become an 'authority on uncertainty'? Can there be anything like that? You said it, "I do whatever I am comfortable with" You have a comfort - zone.

You are restricted to 'material resource' which are often 'processed information' that is not truly free of ' and Conditions' applied. Meanwhile, as there are material resources, there are also 'extra-material' resources too. If you realize this, it would make a difference. Your imaginations definitely becomes fertile as you keep update.

macof: I am not trying to spread confusion.

I have studied Yoruba origin to an extent that all I see are assumptions and false claims based on sentiments and hidden agenda

I am not atheist, I am a fan of science and practice Yoruba spirituality.

So if u have a problem with evolution you simply say it, you are very controversial individual and you hold no important points in Yoruba history, all u do is post to hail or condemn u have nothing to offer.

I'll keep following the thread and see wat u have, but of course as usually it's jst silliness and Itk mentality u have shown so far

Oh my macof, bravo! You have just stated the very obvious about me. That's what Ido, so much like you! However, I don't change my standards quite often: I don't claim atheism today and deny it tomorrow. And i don't have your kind of free spirit, to choose whatever I'm confortable with, it might be stale, but it is what my data provides that I use. Thanks for your time

macof: @shymexx
The Oduduwa story is not just a myth.

As I have repeatedly stated on this forum, Yoruba creation story of Oduduwa climbing down a chain is symbolic and shouldn't be taken literally

The creation story is spirituality and not history, so when u hear Oduduwa created earth and established Ile-Ife it talks about the Energies responsible for earthly matter and not a human who drops from the sky

Oh my! This is a wonderful science, I love to call it the pristinely 'authouritative obscurantism' specially discovered (or designed) to make it impossible for Oduduwa to come from anywhere. Oh I love you macof, macof! You will teach the Ooni this one, and the princes of Oduduwa will be awed. How about the assignment I gave you above? This is where you are to cite Ifa precept as proof. Never forget, you are working on traditional or historical public resource, i.e. Oduduwa, no not on Albert Einstein's idea of 'god' please.

Thus, Yorubaland was settled by folks that were dispersed from their formal residence. The Yoruba ancestors were courageous and hardworking lot to have come this far. In fact the saying partaining to this is 'omode gbon agba gbon, lafi dale ife' Dale Ife could mean, 'establish Ife' or 'came to the end of the expanse'. The end of the expanse is where the landmass culminated at the sea.

Another great pointer to Yoruba origin in Yoruba vocabulary is "ipinlese". People often pronounce this as 'ipi-lese', meaning 'origin'. But the formal is what implies 'dividing the land to establish' My folks would say 'ipinlese l'Oba' that is, kings divide (Yorubaland) to establish their stead at inception. I believe my community, Ado have a lot to contribute to body corpus of Yoruba history, just like any place in ancient Yoruba. Granted, Yoruba inception began with land sharing kings and their followers.

Arcsniper:
thanks, i don't c d reason for d name

I do, its an 'artifact name'. Thanks.

macof:

The bold is wat u are best at

Thank God for that, I will work on that, I'm still growing. Please, don't evade other request I MADE IN THE POST TO DEMISTIFY YOU TOO. And now that you have shifted to Ifa, give us any piece of one in your next post and translate it for others. metaphisical should have gained momentum now. Wise one, I think I helped?

macof:


this guy is has a problem.

Wats my business wit ur fathers house? Do I know u? and did I say am speaking for anybody? It's ur business if u believe Yoruba(in general) or Oyo came from Mecca, but don't use this to deceive people, there's no single truth in it.

I have no Man as a mentor,

"Basic Yoruba history as taught in primary skool" of course that's where ur knowledge ends-primary school

Mr. man, No matter how hard u and others try to claim Mecca as Yoruba origin, you would fail.
And Yoruba didn't forget her history, most of it is embedded in Ifa, but of course prodigal sons like u have no regard for Yoruba spirituality and would forever be wrong on ur Mecca claim

Well macof, you sound like a babe and amateur. If you claim everyone know oranmiyan came from Ife, you will soon be teaching Alaafin that his long held believe on Yoruba mecca origin is a hoax. The great king will always says "you claim Johnson was wrong, but you haven't come up with anything"

@Birdman, you make an excellent analysis. Thanks.

macof:

U are not Yoruba you cannot understand the Ife traditions and the stories of ancient Ife people

Thanks macof, the truth is too bitter. If you are familiar with Yoruba classroom textbooks, all they teach is Lamurudu and Oduduwa from Mecca, everyone that has been to school learn that first hand, god help you if you are a muslim, it becomes an apocryphal. If you are asking how come metaphisical found mecca, it ask a question about you too, your intellect. All know the story. Aren't you familiar with the story? Then where do you come from? It's cognitive-denial if you are not working to solve a 'problem' but denies it exist. Guesswork, problem bashing and insult is called escapology. The devil is in the detail, offer your collection of stories around Ekiti or your hometown, let's see. I am Yoruba and that's my "iponri", I'm just curious about you, can you feed us your oriki? That is a litmus test no 1. 9jacrip is from Ife, but never drop Ife in every single sentence posts. Do you?

MetaPhysical:

You have not answered my question. Everybody charges me for speculating but then you all avoid my questions.

Please answer the question i asked.

I have, except a simple answer can not satisfy your complexity. I Know you dont trust Clapperton et all, yet you are religious about a faith that his party orchestrated. That's incredulous!

Since Yoruba evolve, what is the need for patronising ife tradition which claim heavenly origin? Its like 'evolu-tradition' I dont know a culture that uses foreign theory for her tradition of origin. That's some sorts of 'osaka-osoko'.

MetaPhysical:

Is that the consensus and everyone that have problem with the Sultan's claim are in agreement with your response?

9jacrip, ladionline..are you guys concurrent with macof's response?

No macof can not speak for me or my father's house. He can speak for ekiti. He is just like you: you both have infallible menthors who are outside Yoruba. he is pursuing his agenda en route Ife. The fact that he question you on Mecca origin can only mean he knew next to nothing about basic Yoruba history as taught in 'primary school'. Meantime, you do not present any Yoruba tradition, weak or strong, lip service to venerating Alafin or Ooni can not serve as 'oral tradition'. Pretty well, macof was wiping out all Yoruba medieval history that you have in abundance with mysterious 'evolution dymential' he postulated earlier. He has blank oral records to flaunt and the pride/problem made him say evolution cause Yoruba forget their history. What have you done with the one you have? What?

MetaPhysical:

Is that the consensus and everyone that have problem with the Sultan's claim are in agreement with your response?

9jacrip, ladionline..are you guys concurrent with macof's response?

Arcsniper: Please,what's the real meaning of alabi

'Child of white' or 'white child', etymologically, the Yoruba have a patriarch Orisala, he is white and he stand for that memorial in Yoruba pantheon, just like this name. A similar one is salako. This mean 'pakaja' tying white clothe about the neck and the body.

Arcsniper: Please,what's the real meaning of alabi

'Child of white' etymologically, the Yoruba have a patriarch Orisala, he is white and he stand for that memorial in Yoruba pantheon, just like this name. A similar one is salako. This mean 'pakaja' tying white clothe about the neck and the body.

MetaPhysical:

The first thing to consider is whether or not Sultan is telling the truth with that claim.

Give me your thought on his truthfullness on the claim. I would like to pursue this to its logical conclusion.

Thanks for this one. There is one mistake that everyone of us citing Sultan Bello kept making: the of Yoruba origin creditted to Bello is a fusion of (1) 'what (a wonderful thing) Yoruba contains' and (2) 'how Yoruba originated at Mecca. Sultan Bello offered Clapperton (1) in his first journey, and I believe he (Clapperton) offered Sultan Bello the Hamitic theory. Maybe he read the story to the exhaulted Sultan and get him to 'approve' it by making the tradition have an African outlook. Have you ever wonder why sultan said 'we are informed'? Who was the informant? The Sultan was sending a 'secret message' that looked like 'Balak and Balam' epic in the bible. He was being 'used' in a politico story but he was careful.

MetaPhysical:

The first thing to consider is whether or not Sultan is telling the truth with that claim.

Give me your thought on his truthfullness on the claim. I would like to pursue this to its logical conclusion.