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Lokoyen:


Why don't u wear robes since Jesus wore robes, why didn't ur female relatives wear veils since ladies women in new testament wear veils.

Don't let ur shallow brain coupled with over sabi and ignorance kill u.

Don't pay tithes its ur fucking biz.

And Please don't make reference to any old testament books again.

This rotund idiot is too thick to even understand.

You are beyond daft.

Please stop forming oyibo gangsta with the f words

If you say the law is still valid how come you are breaking it?

I dont wear robes because I'm not a jew and I'm not under the law. Hope that answer is simple enough for a rètard like you.

Now think slowly, get the expired pap in your brains out of your head and answer this question again.

Why dont you worship on Saturday since the law is in effect according to dull gutterbred vermins like you?

Why do you eat catfish peppersoup if it is illegal according to the law you say is still valid.

Why do you shave your hair at the sides when you want to copy the oyibo people you see on your Galaxy Tv in swearing with f-words? Isn't that outlawed by the law you say is still in effect?
And that fake Versace with different fabricsshirt you bought under bridge in the attempt to copy your oyibo brothers, isn't it illegal under your law to wear it?


Your mumùism no be for here. Instead of you to stay away from logic that is superior to whatever brainpower you can muster in this life, you are here forming igwe Tupac.

OkCornel:
1) Jesus the Son of God, never collected tithes from His followers

2) The Apostles of the early church never collected tithes from the early Christians or mandated the early Christians to tithe...


But someone is of the opinion that our Pastors are now "spiritual levites" with the appropriate authority to collect monetary tithes from Christians...

Suddenly, these "spiritual levites" have more authority than the Jesus and the Apostles of the early church as long as the matter of tithe collection is concerned...

This is really interesting!

This is what happens when the bible you read is daddy freeze! Go and read Acts 4:31-37 And Acts 5. The believers were selling their possessions and coming to drop 100% of the proceeds at the feet of the apostles......AND THE APOSTLES WERE COLLECTING THE MONEY!

That was how the early church was run such that everyone in the church never lacked what to eat! But when you don't read and you have daddy freeze as your pastor, you keep wallowing in gross ignorance.

And the early churches were not even COLLECTING only 10%. People were bringing 100%, and when Ananias and Sapphira tried to bring 50% and lied about it, God killed them for doing so. Just ordinary 10% that God asked you to bring is peppering your body to speak all these meaningless grammar

IamJames:



28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year’s produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the foreigners, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.

Here's another version of the verse.

The practice back then was that after every three years, all the tithes of that particular third year be brought and stored in towns so that the Levites, foreigners, fatherless and others as stated in the verse may come and eat. This practice is done only ONCE very three years. So let me ask you, what happens to the tithe the first two years? The tithe is not given to the poor or fatherless or widows but taken to the house of God as Malachi stated.

The Federal government has been giving out tradermoni to traders and some other help to the poor in the society, these are intervention programs which is being done with tax payers money. That's exactly what's happening in that verse you quoted, after every three years, the tithe (tax) of the produce of that particular third year is given to the Levites, widows, fatherless and foreigners, it's a form of intervention program

And to your other question, like I once stated, there are different types giving in the church, there's offering, there's giving for building of the house of God, there's giving to the needy and poor and these are given as one decides in his/her heart. Tithe on the other hand is an obligation to the house of God which you PAY just like every citizen of a country is obligated to pay tax to the govt. You don't pay your tax as you decide, you pay your tax according to what you earn, so it is with your tithe. You don't decide what you give as tithe, you give a tenth of what God has given you. This is simple.

What you have said here thus far contradicts what you mentioned earlier, that tithes are not meant to be given to the poor and needy.

Please check what you said earlier and confirm with Deuteronomy 14 v 28-29
28 “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.

hoopLA:

This rotund idiot is too thick to even understand.

You are beyond daft.

Please stop forming oyibo gangsta with the f words

If you say the law is still valid how come you are breaking it?

I dont wear robes because I'm not a jew and I'm not under the law. Hope that answer is simple enough for a rètard like you.

Now think slowly, get the expired pap in your brains out of your head and answer this question again.

Why dont you worship on Saturday since the law is in effect according to dull gutterbred vermins like you?

Why do you eat catfish peppersoup if it is illegal according to the law you say is still valid.

Why do you shave your hair at the sides when you want to copy the oyibo people you see on your Galaxy Tv in swearing with f-words? Isn't that outlawed by the law you say is still in effect?
And that fake Versace with different fabricsshirt you bought under bridge in the attempt to copy your oyibo brothers, isn't it illegal under your law to wear it?


Your mumùism no be for here. Instead of you to stay away from logic that is superior to whatever brainpower you can muster in this life, you are here forming igwe Tupac.

Mad man on the loose. Keep ranting u will die of heart attack over tithing soon.

nelsonoba:


This is what happens when the bible you read is daddy freeze! Go and read Acts 4:31-37 And Acts 5. The believers were selling their possessions and coming to drop 100% of the proceeds at the feet of the apostles......AND THE APOSTLES WERE COLLECTING THE MONEY!

I am fully aware of this verse.

Now how does freewill giving equate to tithing? How does this validate tithing as a CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE?

nelsonoba:

That was how the early church was run such that everyone in the church never lacked what to eat! But when you don't read and you have daddy freeze as your pastor, you keep wallowing in gross ignorance.

And the early churches were not even COLLECTING only 10%. People were bringing 100%, and when Ananias and Sapphira tried to bring 50% and lied about it, God killed them for doing so. Just ordinary 10% that God asked you to bring is peppering your body to speak all these meaningless grammar

If you have been reading my posts carefully, you are only re-iterating what is in 2 Corinthians 9 v 7
7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.


Was tithing mentioned anywhere? Did the Apostles mandate anyone that they must submit a tithe of their incomes monthly for God's work?!

OkCornel:


I recall tithe was only an obligation for the Jews. Please can you show us where in the scriptures non-Jews were also required to tithe?

If tithe is an obligation for the Christians to obey, then please...of what usefulness is this verse? 2 Corinthians 9 v 7

7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Bros you don't just pick a verse and base your assertion on it. What did the verses preceeding that say?

Read from the first verse and you'll understand how verse 7 came to be.
2 Corinthians 9 vs 1-7

1 There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord’s people.

2 For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action.

3 But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be.

4 For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident.

5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.

6 this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

alBHAGDADI:


@bold

I've told you to stop making claims you can't black up with the Bible. The church of God is not the society but the gathering of the brethren who have been baptized by the Holy Spirit. I hope you do know that the body of Christ is the Church.

1 Corinthians 12:12-31
Now you are Christ's body, and individually of it. For even as the body is one and yet has many , and all the of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ. For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

seems you don't know mrpresident1

nelsonoba:



Galatians 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. All that matters is faith, expressed through love.

Colossians 3:11
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, or free, but Christ is all and is in all.

You can now see for yourself. If you studied the bible for yourself, you would have seen that the bible clearly said circumcision no longer has any value in Christ. But can you show me where the bible ever said tithing never has any value after Jesus upheld it in Matthew 23:23?

Now, show your claims with scriptures or be very quiet! (And i hope you know daddy freeze's words are not scripture)

Ohh Oga it seems you forgot the burnt offerings,u also forgot heave offering and other offerings known to Abraham before they received the blessings in Genesis!
I guess you have a new covenant cancellation for that....

You should know too well that circumcision and burnt offerings were also transited to the law of moses hence if one was abolished,ALL will be abolished!

I have a question for you....was tithe a law?
Was circumcision a law before it was abolished?

You can't say circumcision which is part of the law like tithe was abolished and yet tithe wasn't abolished?

The problem with you and your likes is that you tend to believe some laws were abolished while some were left behind forgetting that the law is whole and never some sort of biscuits that you would decide which to eat and the one to take away!

IamJames:


Bros you don't just pick a verse and base your assertion on it. What did the verses preceeding that say?

Read from the first verse and you'll understand how verse 7 came to be.
2 Corinthians 9 vs 1-7

1 There is no need for me to write to you about this service to the Lord’s people.

2 For I know your eagerness to help, and I have been boasting about it to the Macedonians, telling them that since last year you in Achaia were ready to give; and your enthusiasm has stirred most of them to action.

3 But I am sending the brothers in order that our boasting about you in this matter should not prove hollow, but that you may be ready, as I said you would be.

4 For if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we—not to say anything about you—would be ashamed of having been so confident.

5 So I thought it necessary to urge the brothers to visit you in advance and finish the arrangements for the generous gift you had promised. Then it will be ready as a generous gift, not as one grudgingly given.

6 this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously.

7 Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Did Paul mention in any of his letters that Christians ought to tithe? Did any of the Apostles lay such requirements on the early Christians that they ought to tithe?


Freewill giving has always been the standard in the new covenant. Where was tithing introduced for the sustenance of "full time ministers" and "maintenance of the church" in the scriptures?

hoopLA:

Oga or madam

I wasnt even talking to you.

Please is it hit the game or hate the game?

Please speak proper English.

I have no time for stúpid people.

Thank you

You need to seek professional help. you have no control over your spirit that's why you must reply with an insult. Seek help on your anger and aggression issues before you end up in jail. And you don't hate a game, you hit it.

OkCornel:


Which other proof do you want them to bring apart from Matthew 23 v 23 or Luke 11 v 42?

They are even shooting themselves in the foot because Jesus was referring to tithing performed in line with the Mosaic Law.

These pro-tithers do not even consider the fact that Jesus had not fulfilled the Law at that point in time.

Jesus upheld the Mosaic Law. Notice how Jesus healed lepers and still told them to present themselves to the Priest for purification and cleansing in lines with the Laws of Moses.

Now that the Law is fulfilled, how does tithing concern the non-Jews that were never under the Mosaic Law in the first place?


These pro-tithers are jokers mehn...

And i ask again, how exactly does the bible say tithing is of the law and as such it has been done away with? Where did the bible mention that? Quote that scripture for us!

Tithing is not of the law because it was already being practiced before the law. Abraham lived before the law and he was already tithing. Jesus in the new testament upheld tithing. Adultery was already wrong before the law was given and that is why Joseph refused to sleep with Potiphar's wife. Has adultery now been abolished just because it was included in the 10 commandments? Has murder been abolished just because it was included in the 10 commandments? Just as they were never abolished, that is how tithe was never abolished and if God wanted to abolish it just like the ordinances were abolished, he would have spelt it clearly for us as he told us in the new testament about circumcision no longer having any value as long as you are in Christ

ollah1:



Quit acting like a dummy everytime, the simple question is why didn't you quote your pastor who also insulted and did it beyond once?

Easy on your emotions Mr. Angry bird! Quoting scriptures yet insultive and temperamental. People who only know scriptures in their head but their heart is far from God.

You forgot to tell us under which commandment or order did ABRAM not ABRAHAM paid that tithe to Melchizedech?...
Was it willfully or commanded?
FYI: Abram isn't a role model cuz he was without covenant when he paid that
Why did Christ didn't command his Apostles to pay tithe rather he told them to pay tax which he did too?
You have to tell us what qualify any of the pastors to be of Melchizedech or Levite's order?

nelsonoba:


And i ask again, how exactly does the bible say tithing is of the law and as such it has been done away with? Where did the bible mention that? Quote that scripture for us!

Tithing is not of the law because it was already being practiced before the law. Abraham lived before the law and he was already tithing. Jesus in the new testament upheld tithing. Adultery was already wrong before the law was given and that is why Joseph refused to sleep with Potiphar's wife. Has adultery now been abolished just because it was included in the 10 commandments? Has murder been abolished just because it was included in the 10 commandments? Just as they were never abolished, that is how tithe was never abolished and if God wanted to abolish it just like the ordinances were abolished, he would have spelt it clearly for us as he told us in the new testament about circumcision no longer having any value as long as you are in Christ

Read Matthew 23 v 23, and conclude for yourself if Jesus was referring to tithing as practiced in line with the requirements of the Mosaic Law;

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

1) What kind of tithing was Jesus referring to, was it not tithing in line with the Mosaic Law?

2) If you use Matthew 23 v 23 as your shield of defence

(a) Are you tithing in line with the requirements of the Mosaic Law? Check Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29
(b) Are you aware Jesus was endorsing the entirety of Judaism in Matthew 23 v 23?
(c) Does Jesus have any reason not to uphold the Law at a point in time where He had not fulfilled the requirements of the Mosaic Law?

3) If Abram is your model for tithing because of a one-off voluntary transaction from the spoils of war with Melchizedek...what then is the basis for a Christian to part with 10% of their monetary income every month under the guise of "tithing"?

Lokoyen:


Mad man on the loose. Keep ranting u will die of heart attack over tithing soon.

Leave them biko. We know that most professors of theology do not even have any relationship with Christ. They only have head knowledge of Scriptures hence the aggression and all knowing attitude. Those who truly understand scriptures as revealed by the HolyGhost don't get cocky and insultive about it. They teach with grace and humility. We know them. sons of pride

OkCornel:


What you have said here thus far contradicts what you mentioned earlier, that tithes are not meant to be given to the poor and needy.

Please check what you said earlier and confirm with Deuteronomy 14 v 28-29
28 “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do.

It's difficult trying to explain things to you.

Tithes are taken to the house of God. This is the inheritance of the Levites. Every tribe had an inheritance of lands except the Levites so whatever comes into the house of God belongs to the Levites. God gave the instruction that this be done, that this is their portion. That same God also gave the instruction that in as much as He said that tithe be paid to God's house that every third year, the proceeds of that particular year alone be shared amongst LEVITES (whose inheritance it is) first as stated and then to fatherless and widows.

The tithe don't belong to the needy or fatherless since they don't receive it all the time or in the first two years. In the third year, the Levites who owns the tithe still gets it and also extend to the needy as the Lord instructed.

This is done only ONCE in three years. It's a form of intervention program like we have it today.

sparta:
Easy on your emotions Mr. Angry bird! Quoting scriptures yet insultive and temperamental. People who only know scriptures in their head but their is far from God.

Well, the emotional idiot here is you who refused to attack your pastor on this page despite his constant insultive words but attack those who schooled him about tithing

ollah1:


Well, the emotional idiot here is you who refused to attack your pastor on this page despite his constant insultive words but attack those who schooled him about tithing

I was not raised to insult people. I was raised to make points. Wonder what your face looks like now with all the anger coming from your spirit. Gosh!
Can you even reason without including an insult? I seriously doubt it. Grow up

nelsonoba:


And i ask again, how exactly does the bible say tithing is of the law and as such it has been done away with? Where did the bible mention that? Quote that scripture for us!

Tithing is not of the law because it was already being practiced before the law. Abraham lived before the law and he was already tithing. Jesus in the new testament upheld tithing. Adultery was already wrong before the law was given and that is why Joseph refused to sleep with Potiphar's wife. Has adultery now been abolished just because it was included in the 10 commandments? Has murder been abolished just because it was included in the 10 commandments? Just as they were never abolished, that is how tithe was never abolished and if God wanted to abolish it just like the ordinances were abolished, he would have spelt it clearly for us as he told us in the new testament about circumcision no longer having any value as long as you are in Christ

Per the bolded, let me ask you this...

1) Did man's knowledge of good and evil start with the Mosaic Law?
2) Did Cain consult the Mosaic Law before concluding he had sinned by killing Abel?
3) What is evil if I decide not to tithe? Bear in mind that I am not under any law to tithe
4) Do Christians "OUGHT TO TITHE" because Abram tithed VOLUNTARILY?
5) Can you show us where exactly God instructed Abram or Jacob to tithe?

sparta:
I was not raised to insult people. I was raised to make points. Wonder what your face looks like now with all the anger coming from your spirit. Gosh!
Can you even reason without including an insult? I seriously doubt it. Grow up

Now proceed and make points to your pastor on this page. He has written different series of insults? Proceed and mention him madam hypocrite

openmine:


Ohh Oga it seems you forgot the burnt offerings,u also forgot heave offering and other offerings known to Abraham before they received the blessings in Genesis!
I guess you have a new covenant cancellation for that....

You should know too well that circumcision and burnt offerings were also transited to the law of moses hence if one was abolished,ALL will be abolished!

I have a question for you....was tithe a law?
Was circumcision a law before it was abolished?

You can't say circumcision which is part of the law like tithe was abolished and yet tithe wasn't abolished?

The problem with you and your likes is that you tend to believe some laws were abolished while some were left behind forgetting that the law is whole and never some sort of biscuits that you would decide which to eat and the one to take away!

For your burnt offering question, go and read Hebrews 10. The bible clearly says that Jesus has been made a sacrifice for us once and for all. So we do not need any further animal sacrifices.


If you think because a demand of God that existed before the law was transited to the law, and as such it should go away with the law, then it is very ok for me to murder you if I hate you, since murder was already wrong before the law and God transited it into the 10 commandments!

It will also be very good if I steal from you or I commit adultery with your wife since adultery was already a sin before the law as demonstrated by the story of Joseph and Potiphar's wife. Right?

The only thing that will make you single out tithing as something that must away with the law even after you've heard how Jesus upheld it in Matthew 23:23 is GREED! YOU FEEL 10% OF YOUR MONEY IS TOO MUCH TO GIVE TO GOD! If it's to lavish your money on buying the luxuries of life, you won't mind, but when it comes to giving to GOD, you suddenly feel 10% is too much for God. That shows where you place God in your scale of preference! No wonder Jesus said "where a man's heart is, there will his treasure be also"

IamJames:


The tithe don't belong to the needy or fatherless since they don't receive it all the time or in the first two years. In the third year, the Levites who owns the tithe still gets it and also extend to the needy as the Lord instructed.

In the 3rd year, how do the Levites still OWN THE TITHE when this instruction was clearly spelt out to the tithers?

28 “At the end of every three years you shall bring out all the tithe of your produce in the same year and lay it up within your towns. 29 And the Levite, because he has no portion or inheritance with you, and the sojourner, the fatherless, and the widow, who are within your towns, shall come and eat and be filled, that the Lord your God may bless you in all the work of your hands that you do


It clearly states that the tithers are to lay up the tithes WITHIN THEIR TOWNS for the Levite, sojourner, Fatherless and the widow to eat from it.

Where does it state that the Levites would collect these tithes, take out their portion and extend the remnants to the needy?

Jesus is our current high priest and his high priest is after the order of Melchizedek who dully collected tithe from Abraham in Genesis 14.. As a matter of truth we are operating under Abrahamic covenant which Jesus has fully restored to the church. Everybody pay tithe to the high priest..it is just that his church ambassadors manage it on his behalf .

OkCornel:



Did Paul mention in any of his letters that Christians ought to tithe? Did any of the Apostles lay such requirements on the early Christians that they ought to tithe?


Freewill giving has always been the standard in the new covenant. Where was tithing introduced for the sustenance of "full time ministers" and "maintenance of the church" in the scriptures?

Bros you have set your mind not to understand but to argue endlessly. I think I have to leave you now.

Liverpool vs Manchester United coming up.

Cheers.

IamJames:


Bros you have set your mind not to understand but to argue endlessly. I think I have to leave you now.

Liverpool vs Manchester United coming up.

Cheers.

We can continue after the match. I'm sure if you have points from the scripture that mandates Christians having to tithe monetarily, you would have brought them out by now...

No running away

Charly68:
Jesus is our current high priest and his high priest is after the order of Melchizedek who dully collected tithe from Abraham in Genesis 14.. As a matter of truth we are operating under Abrahamic covenant which Jesus has fully restored to the church. Everybody pay tithe to the high priest..it is just that his church ambassadors manage it on his behalf .

Great! So we get to tithe only once in our lifetime since the Abrahamic covenant is restored isn't it?

Unless we want to patch portions of the Mosaic Law with the Abrahamic covenant to justify the ongoing " monthly tithing" happening in the church...

By the way, Abram tithed directly to Melchizedek...so why do we need ambassadors to collect tithes on behalf of the high priest? I thought we are all priests?

IamJames:


It's difficult trying to explain things to you.

Tithes are taken to the house of God. This is the inheritance of the Levites. Every tribe had an inheritance of lands except the Levites so whatever comes into the house of God belongs to the Levites.

If the tithe belongs to the Levites, then why do we have this instruction on tithing in Deuteronomy 14?

23 And before the Lord your God, in the place that he will choose, to make his name dwell there, you shall eat the tithe of your grain, of your wine, and of your oil, and the firstborn of your herd and flock, that you may learn to fear the Lord your God always. 24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the Lord your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the Lord your God chooses, to set his name there, 25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the Lord your God chooses 26 and spend the money for whatever you desire—oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the Lord your God and rejoice, you and your household. 27 And you shall not neglect the Levite who is within your towns, for he has no portion or inheritance with you.


Why are you always quiet on the fact that tithers were instructed to eat their tithe, and then allocate a portion of their tithes as they deem fit to the Levite?

Why is it that Pastors do not preach this, and collect the entire tithe from the tithers?
How on earth did the Pastors replace the Levites?

It's not just adding up!

OkCornel:


Per the bolded, let me ask you this...

1) Did man's knowledge of good and evil start with the Mosaic Law?
2) Did Cain consult the Mosaic Law before concluding he had sinned by killing Abel?
3) What is evil if I decide not to tithe? Bear in mind that I am not under any law to tithe
4) Do Christians "OUGHT TO TITHE" because Abram tithed VOLUNTARILY?
5) Can you show us where exactly God instructed Abram or Jacob to tithe?

1) Knowledge of good and evil started before the Mosaic law. In fact, it started as soon as Adam and Eve ate of the fruit in the garden that God asked them not to eat of. Before that, man was perfect and did not have the nature of sin.

2) Cain killed his brother and he knew it was a sin

3) If you decide not to tithe, you are not doing me. You are just doing yourself, because God gave a clear instruction to bring all your tithes into His storehouse in Malachi 3:10. and Jesus upheld that command in Matthew 23:23 by rebuking the jews for tithing and not keeping the weightier matters of the law like 'Justice, mercy and Faith', and telling them that they OUGHT TO DO BOTH AND NOT DO ONE AND LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. If Jesus himself could speak of tithe as something we "OUGHT TO DO" alongside Justice, mercy and faith, then you must be greater than Jesus himself to come and instruct us to not do something Jesus says we ought to do. If you think you are not doing anything wrong by deliberately choosing not to do something Jesus said ought to be done, then you are living in disobedience and you have become a law unto yourself. It is because of people who deliberately decide to disobey God's command that made Jesus say "not all who say to me Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but those who obey the will of my Father in heaven". This is why many christians will go to hell, because they think that Jesus has brought abundant grace and as such they believe they should continue in sin and disobedience.....something to which Apostle Paul replied by saying "God forbid!".

Grace was give for only 2 reasons - 1) To redeem us from sin when we believe in Christ 2) To empower us to live above sin by walking in obedience to God's word through the help of the Holy Spirit as we fellowship with him everyday and he gives us that enablement to overcome temptations on a daily basis.

If you don't understand those two points above, then you have no idea what genuine christianity is about. To you, it will be just a religion! Religion sucks!


4) Nowhere did the bible record that Abraham tithed voluntarily or as a result of a direct command he received. But common sense should tell you that nobody was born with knowledge. Everything we know in this world was learnt. Your question should be "Who taught Abraham about the principle of tithing?" Could it have been his ancestors who were idol worshippers or could it have been satan that taught him? If it was satan that taught him tithing, would Melchizedek the priest of the Most High God have accepted the tithes from him considering it was an idea born of the devil??

5) Refer to answer 4 above, and also add to the questions by asking yourself if it was EVERYTHING THAT GOD TOLD ABRAHAM THAT WAS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE? WAS IT ALSO EVERYTHING THAT JESUS DID AND SAID ON EARTH FROM THE DAY HE WAS BORN TO THE DAY HE WAS CRUCIFIED THAT WERE RECORDED IN THE BIBLE? If everything God told Abraham or everything Jesus said and did while he was on earth were recorded in the bible, do you think a book the size of a house would be big enough to record everything? Why don't we use our common sense when asking some of these questions??

OkCornel:


Read Matthew 23 v 23, and conclude for yourself if Jesus was referring to tithing as practiced in line with the requirements of the Mosaic Law;

23 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others.

1) What kind of tithing was Jesus referring to, was it not tithing in line with the Mosaic Law?

2) If you use Matthew 23 v 23 as your shield of defence

(a) Are you tithing in line with the requirements of the Mosaic Law? Check Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29
(b) Are you aware Jesus was endorsing the entirety of Judaism in Matthew 23 v 23?
(c) Does Jesus have any reason not to uphold the Law at a point in time where He had not fulfilled the requirements of the Mosaic Law?

3) If Abram is your model for tithing because of a one-off voluntary transaction from the spoils of war with Melchizedek...what then is the basis for a Christian to part with 10% of their monetary income every month under the guise of "tithing"?

Oga your grammar is too much. it won't help you. Just go and pay your tithe as outlined in Malachi 3:10. Tithe is 10% of your profit. Whatever your profit is. If you are a farmer as most of the israelites were in those days, you know what 10% of your profit should be like. If you are a banker, you know what 10% of your profit should be like. If you are a designer, you know what 10% of your profit should be. Tithing is just 10% of WHATEVER YOUR PROFIT IS. It is about "Value you gained". Some people don't know that to a farmer, a tuber of yam is money. To a shoemaker, shoes are money. Stop using too much sense to deceive God cos it won't work. That thing you think you know, God has already been there and back before you thought it up. Just go and pay your tithe and stop deceiving yourself with grammar. Greed is what is making you think 10% of your money is TOO MUCH FOR GOD THAT GAVE YOU LIFE!

nelsonoba:


3) If you decide not to tithe, you are not doing me. You are just doing yourself, because God gave a clear instruction to bring all your tithes into His storehouse in Malachi 3:10. and Jesus upheld that command in Matthew 23:23 by rebuking the jews for tithing and not keeping the weightier matters of the law like 'Justice, mercy and Faith', and telling them that they OUGHT TO DO BOTH AND NOT DO ONE AND LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE. If Jesus himself could speak of tithe as something we "OUGHT TO DO" alongside Justice, mercy and faith, then you must be greater than Jesus himself to come and instruct us to not do something Jesus says we ought to do. If you think you are not doing anything wrong by deliberately choosing not to do something Jesus said ought to be done, then you are living in disobedience and you have become a law unto yourself. It is because of people who deliberately decide to disobey God's command that made Jesus say "not all who say to me Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but those who obey the will of my Father in heaven". This is why many christians will go to hell, because they think that Jesus has brought abundant grace and as such they believe they should continue in sin and disobedience.....something to which Apostle Paul replied by saying "God forbid!".

Good, very good.
Now ask yourself these

1) How on earth does Malachi 3 v 10 or Matthew 23 v 23 which both speak on tithing in line with the Mosaic Law apply to a Christian? Do you tithe in line with the requirements of the Mosaic Law?

nelsonoba:

Grace was give for only 2 reasons - 1) To redeem us from sin when we believe in Christ 2) To empower us to live above sin by walking in obedience to God's word through the help of the Holy Spirit as we fellowship with him everyday and he gives us that enablement to overcome temptations on a daily basis.

If you don't understand those two points above, then you have no idea what genuine christianity is about. To you, it will be just a religion! Religion sucks!

So what is the connection with all you have said here with tithing?

nelsonoba:

4) Nowhere did the bible record that Abraham tithed voluntarily or as a result of a direct command he received. But common sense should tell you that nobody was born with knowledge. Everything we know in this world was learnt. Your question should be "Who taught Abraham about the principle of tithing?" Could it have been his ancestors who were idol worshippers or could it have been satan that taught him? If it was satan that taught him tithing, would Melchizedek the priest of the Most High God have accepted the tithes from him considering it was an idea born of the devil??

Very good, now we are clear that there is nowhere in the Bible where it was mentioned that Abram was instructed by God to tithe, it's clear YOU ARE THE ONE ASSUMING what is not written.

nelsonoba:

5) Refer to answer 4 above, and also add to the questions by asking yourself if it was EVERYTHING THAT GOD TOLD ABRAHAM THAT WAS RECORDED IN THE BIBLE? WAS IT ALSO EVERYTHING THAT JESUS DID AND SAID ON EARTH FROM THE DAY HE WAS BORN TO THE DAY HE WAS CRUCIFIED THAT WERE RECORDED IN THE BIBLE? If everything God told Abraham or everything Jesus said and did while he was on earth were recorded in the bible, do you think a book the size of a house would be big enough to record everything? Why don't we use our common sense when asking some of these questions??

Very simple, you are itting that there is no Biblical reference where God instructed Abram to tithe!

You are also inadvertently itting that the Bible is not the complete word of God...hence you can fill in the gaps with your assumptions to make your points isn't it?


Make your points with Biblical references and historical proofs as opposed to your assumptions which cannot be corroborated here

OkCornel:





Per the bolded, just take a look at how you are contradicting yourself...


Other questions I have for you:

1) Why is it that the Pastors do not preach that it is scriptural to eat out of your tithe as per Deuteronomy 14 v 26?

2) Why is it that you pro-tithers are very quick to jump to Matthew 23 v 23 as your shield of defense when in actual fact, Jesus was talking about tithing done in line with the Mosaic Law? Tithing per the Mosaic Law was clearly spelt out in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29

3) Where in the Bible was it required for non-Jews to also tithe, especially if they are not resident in Israel? Did the likes of Job, Ruth, Cyrus, Luke, the Roman Centurion have to tithe before God blessed them?

4) Did Abram tithe out of his possessions to Melchizedek?

5) Where precisely did God ask for gold, silver or money to be given as tithes? Did you skip Deuteronomy 14 v 24-26? What did God ask for as tithe, what is Livestock and Crops or was it money?

You lack comprehension. Didn't you see where I said the tithe, after it has been given to the priest, the priest will now take a portion of not and give it to the widows and orphans? You just saw where I said you shouldn't take up that responsibility yourself and you ran to the market with it. You can't give your tithe to windows and orphans, that is the duty of priests. If you want to help the widows and orphans, don't call it tithe because Ruthenia clearly stated that it has to be brought to the house of God.

As for your questions, the OP already answered them.

KingOfAmebo:
The OP is super confused with this:





Where is it in the bible that giving tithe to widows, orphans or the needy is wrong?

Tell us what the tithe givien to church is used for? Do you preach to a hungry man the word of God without feeding him/her?...Jesus fed 5000 with bread and fishes ...Do you think God needs your money for his works to be accomplished? are you trying to help the maker and owner of the universe finance his projects?... How weird is that?

alBHAGDADI lacks understanding on the things of God...stop misleading people or incure the wrath of God.

Judgement is already starting from the church...your likes will not be exempted.

Giving your tithe to the widows and orphans is wrong. It means you are assuming the role of the priest whose duty is to collect the title from you, take out of it, use some for the servicing of the house of God, give you some to eat and give the rest to widows and orphans. It is not your duty to give it to them directly. All throughout, tithe is ordered to be brought to God's house, not you taking it to widows. You are not the priest who is ordered to do that.