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CAPTIVATOR:


how did you know he didn't read , the fact that he asked you to provide evidence from Russell himself claiming the founder title and you couldn't showed you are the biased one here .

Am sure you didnt read that excerpt thats why u still ask for evidence that Charles is the founder of Watchtower which houses JW.

themall:
Read my post again. {1 AD Christians + Sabbath-keeping}. Thank me later.
THEN of course, it is God's unchangeable Sabbath. Christians understand it in a different way to what the Jews and Sabbath-keepers understand.
: Spiritual Jews are different to physical Jews.

Who are Christians? Those who follow Christ right?

Why are you not keeping the Sabbath just as Christ kept it?

Kassidy90:
My two questions are directed not to the OP alone but to all the Christians in d house...
1) how was Jesus crucified, on the pole or cross ?
2) which is the right day to go to church, Saturday or Sunday ?

He died in my grandpas motorcar

Anas09:

Am sure you didnt read that excerpt thats why u still ask for evidence that Charles is the founder of Watchtower which houses JW.

# shakes head # goodnight

SaffronSpice:
Anas09,what site did you copied your post from?Am just curious because some detractors are hell bent on denting the image of JWs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

AyamConfidence:
Sorry bro but I don't visit apostate sites.... neither do we discuss with apostates

I also do not discuss with people who are afraid of the truth. Bye-bye.

Anas09:

Lolzz, didn't get them from Paul. So if Paul posts facts that a true we shd ignore?

An article that calls JWs a sect is libellous.

Mrbllymer:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Jehovah%27s_Witnesses

Thank you.

themall:
He died in my grandpas motorcar

That's blasphemy bro.... Dnt talk about prophet like that

CAPTIVATOR:


# shakes head # goodnight

Careful so that you wont shake off your head.

Tumm:


I don't know how many times.
Maybe you can tell me.
And about "Paul Grundy"...He is Paul Grundy. That the most I know about him.

I'm not a spokesperson for the witnesses.
However you can always visit jw.org to find answers to your questions or better still locate a kingdom hall near you.

Cheers

I'll visit jwfacts.com if I want the truth. I'd advise you to do same with an OPEN MIND.

CAPTIVATOR:


# shakes head # goodnight

Careful so that you wont shake off your head. Good nite good sir.

Deadlytruth:


So biblical citations have 1914 in them? All I see here is damage control. If it were another denomination that made this blunder no rationalization would have been accepted by JWs as such would become their headlines in Awake week after week.

LOL.Chill,bro.
Did you read the article?
You'll understand better if you do.

Kassidy90:
My two questions are directed not to the OP alone but to all the Christians in d house...


1) how was Jesus crucified, on the pole or cross ?


2) which is the right day to go to church, Saturday or Sunday ?

1. On a cross.

2. Saturday.

truthislight:


The word Eternal and everlasting is Futuristic and not necessarily concern with the past.

For instance, God said he will give humans Eternal live/Ever-lasting life, does that in any way suggest that the people that will be given this Eternal life had always existed?

If No, why are you concluding that calling Jesus Eternal/everlasting father implies that he had always existed?

Again, have you ever wondered what Adam would have been had he not sinned against Yahweh? Well, he would still have remained as our father to this day and for ever. What then would we have been calling him? Answer = He would have remain as our Eternal father.

But, as it is, Jesus bought over what Adam lost, hence, took over his place of being our father. So, Jesus became our Eternal Father.

If you look closely, you would notice that though Adam would have remained our Eternal father, that does not mean that Adam had always existed either.

So, Jesus being called Eternal/Everlasting Father, does not mean that Jesus had always existed.

Please, do not confused Eternity with eternal.

Have you ever seen were humans are being promised ETERNITY in the bible?

It is only Yahweh that is called King of Eternity

Peace.

DoctorAlien:


Who are Christians? Those who follow Christ right? Why are you not keeping the Sabbath just as Christ kept it?

1. Why are you not keeping the Sabbath just as Christ kept it? - For the same reason why am not chasing out people who are selling olive oil, perfumed oil, white handkerchiefs, holy cross e.t.c at my parish.
2. Who are Christians? - Those who are going in through the narrow door. Which makes me to be scared for the many big broad and spacious churches with many big numbers.

Ranchhoddas:
I also do not discuss with people who are afraid of the truth. Bye-bye.

what is the truth....this is a perfect organization put in the care of imperfect humans...the Bible says that the light keeps getting brighter and brighter until the day is firmly established... we are not afraid to it and adjust our past understanding

themall:

1. Why are you not keeping the Sabbath just as Christ kept it? - For the same reason why am not chasing out people who are selling olive oil, perfumed oil, white handkerchiefs, holy cross e.t.c at my parish.
2. Who are Christians? - Those who are going in through the narrow door. Which makes me to be scared for the many big broad and spacious churches with many big numbers.

Brother, who instructed you not to keep GOD's Sabbath?

DO you think only a small number of people will be in Heaven? Hehe, bro, narrowgate is not a church with small population.

DoctorAlien:


1. On a cross.

2. Saturday.

Thanks, but Jehovah witness believed he was crucified on pole and 90% of the xtians that I know worships on Sundays what's ur take on that

Kassidy90:
That's blasphemy bro.... Dnt talk about prophet like that

And how is my fathers car a blasphemy? Many don't even know how he raptured to heaven in the first class space shuttle. Ask me.

Ranchhoddas:
www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

The prediction was SYMBOLIC.

www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/1914-significant-year-bible-prophecy/

SaffronSpice:

An article that calls JWs a sect is libellous.

So what is Jw if not a sect?

Logicbwoy:



You answered my questions in a typical Jehovah's witness way.

I wouldn't bother you too much, seeing that you are truly indoctrinated. You can't even see why I say that your church are wicked. How can you look at someone dying and refuse him blood? Are you people the only christians that read the bible? Do you even know that your Jehovah's witness new translation bible is still a translation of a catholic bible?



90% of your culture is pagan. In fact, everyone in the world has pagan roots. To suggest that christmas is pagan is kind of hypocritical, considering that your Nigerian name, food, dressing comes from pagan origin.

You do realise that pagan relgions existed before Christianity?

hey dude calm down a bit...we dont take blood doesnt mean we gon watch someone die we ve got other alternatives and special trained pesonel that can treat us without blood transfusion...we dont want to disobey Gods law becos of our short life!!! we take safety first in stuffs we do..dat shows we respect life but wen it comes to the point were i will have to choose as to my healthi will choose Gods way....and we aint pagan related...every single thing we do is bible based....i mean every single thing!!!

Ranchhoddas:
I'll visit jwfacts.com if I want the truth. I'd advise you to do same with an OPEN MIND.

You can always do..

I saw a post where you made reference to 1914!

He was so honest by telling you "we had wrong expectations"

You held him. Yet, he made you see that earlier Christians and apostles even (prophets) in Bible times had wrong expectations..

I was expecting you to nod a yes..

You never did..


You just bumped in by asking who's Paul?

Now who's not open minded here?

Anas09:

So what is Jw if not a sect?

How would you define a "sect"?

Kassidy90:


Thanks, but Jehovah witness believed he was crucified on pole and 90% of the xtians that I know worships on Sundays what's ur take on that

The Jehovah Witnesses teach many things which are not according to the Bible. However, the only Standard of Christian doctrine is the Bible (2 Tim. 3:16)

It's very sad that 90% of Christians, as you said, have forgotten the only commandment of GOD that begins with "". GOD knew people will forget his Sabbath, and so He said "" in Exod. 20:8. A thorough search of the Scripture will reveal no of Sunday worship.

Moreover, the Bible says we ought to walk like Jesus walked.(1 Jn. 2:6). Jesus kept the Sabbath. Therefore we should keep it.

Anas09:
How these people even dey think sef?

Jesus said he had always existed. He was with the father from the begining. Before the foundation of thebearth, he was with the father. He said "I came from the father, am going to the father". Does that sound like someone who did not pre-exist? Humans did not pre-exist. We were created as the earth was created, but not so with Christ.

The eternity promised us has nothing to do with weda we as humans had existed before cominf to this earth.

Wow.

Lol. ^^^ On red, so you have been promised eternity?

Lol. see how ignorant you are and you still hang around to expose it.

Run along now.

You know nothing to help yourself let alone others.

It's a pity indeed.

Kassidy90:
Thanks, but Jehovah witness believed he was crucified on pole and 90% of the xtians that I know worships on Sundays what's ur take on that

Because of Christian mental slavery by the british, The King James edition (used by many protestants and later Pentecostal) agreed with the Roman Catholic Church of Rome about Cross. Why do you think other people will agree. Study history of translators and see that many Christians are very dogmatic! Why are you dogmatic?!

i ve been here..done dat...had dealing with people like paul grundy B4...u can check for the rec.......dis tpic had gone far b4 my knowin...not happy about dis....

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Lol. so there are righteous people in hell now!

You have forgotten your threat "hell is real".

I taught you were a bible student? The fact is, you guys knows nothing of the scriptures only to argue blindly!

Since there are righteous people in hell, why were you bothering your self telling the so called sinner about it since righteous people go to hell?

SMH for you all.



Lol. so there are righteous people in hell now!

seek for help instead of typing rubbish!

For more clarification, please visit jw.org and click on .

goodnewscliff:
hey dude calm down a bit...we dont take blood doesnt mean we gon watch someone die we ve got other alternatives and special trained pesonel that can treat us without blood transfusion...we dont want to disobey Gods law becos of our short life!!! we take safety first in stuffs we do..dat shows we respect life but wen it comes to the point were i will have to choose as to my healthi will choose Gods way....and we aint pagan related... every single thing we do is bible based....i mean every single thing!!!

Even Sunday-keeping?