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Gerrard59:

lol
So the solution is to revolt and allow foreign powers to disrupt their hard-fought progress and society?

Like I knew, you mistake the Chinese in China and all over Asia, not some disgruntled Hong Kongers in the UK, to be Nigerians.

You want a repeat of the effects of Buhari's presidency on Nigeria on the Chinese all in the name of "the C is e.vil".

Now you are making assumptions lmao

Where is your paragraph one coming from?
Now you are projecting because I don't saying what you said in paragraph 1

Where am I suggesting that the Chinese people lose their what you term "hard fought progress"

Now lemme even "clear you" now that you have mentioned it

China is gonna progress whether the C is in power or whether they are ousted
Culture of hardwork and striving for the best doesn't "disappear" because the C is no longer in power
But that is by the way

That said,
In response to your other post where you also mentioned me
These Chinese people I am interacting with here are people who came here to study FROM China
they have done bachelors to doctorate here

some are still students
Dr. Wang, my padi padi came here from China to also study

There is a clear distinction between them and Hong Kong people tbvh
I hear Hong Kongers don't even speak mandarin but Cantonese
Dunno so I can't say

LordAdam16:


Europe and AU/CA will welcome them. A few Asian options may open up. But there's no like-for-like replacement for the US.
Ethnic Chinese in the US will feel the squeeze. Every ethnicity has their fiefdom in the US and the Chinese had walled that off as their castle.
The Koreans may move in. Wouldn't bet on the Indians but it wouldn't surprise me if they filled up spots.

It is already across the entire West, including non-Anglophone countries. If ETH Zurich and Lausanne could restrict Chinese students into "critical fields", then it is everywhere. The Dutch did it. So far, it is only the French and Germans that have not restricted Chinese students or investments, at least publicly. Italy has restricted Chinese investment.

The benefits go to the Indians and maybe who knows us Africans. Koreans no dey born, so fewer people to replace. Maybe Vietnamese, but I am not too certain, especially if Vietnam does not bend to a.ttacking China. As you stated, all gloves are off. A repeat of the US War on Terror - either you are with us or against us.

What I'll say though is that the US will miss the raw brainpower and talent pipeline if they really go apesh*t with the restrictions.
They'll get past it. The US is still everyone's favorite destination on that count.
China will be a big winner. More talent without having to benchmark against generous Western offers.

Yes, China is the big winner. More talented Chinese remain in the country or are close-by thus retaining an Asian mentality.

As an aside, one of the successes of Western liberalism is furthering the notion that the US (and the West writ large) doES not operate on the primal action-reaction, push-pull paradigm. They've created this air of moral superiority where folks, especially those who buy into their dogma, believe certain actions can only be taken by Others. The Golden Billion would never. All that yucky stuff does not align with their professed values.
When an unrefined character like Trump peels back the curtain, he is met with indignation.
Like we've curated this perfect make-believe matrix. Don't blow it up.
But we all know, they do -- at least the informed ones do, that when push comes to shove, we'll all get in the trenches and throw hands like cavemen.

Others don't acquiesce, you fall back to old habits of sanctions, discrimination, sabotage, and the good ol' Freedom aircraft carriers.
Their cheerleaders would think they're beyond that.
That there is some high-level thinking to all of this.
There isn't. It's all about a primal need to dominate when in a pole position and doing everything possible to stay ahead.
Democracy. Liberty. Rights. All fancy BS that'll be sidelined at the drop of a hat when conditions deteriorate.

-Lord[/quote]
My Lord!

Well done! We see them for who they are, not what they think they should be, like those who ed Labour in the UK but are aghast that the same party can propose stiff immigration policies. It is so refreshing to be brutally realistic. Like my Oga would say, always expect the worst to happen.

Thank God for Trump and China for being so stubborn. People need to know humans for who they are, not what they pretend to be.

Gerrard59:

It is already across the entire West, including non-Anglophone countries. If ETH Zurich and Lausanne could restrict Chinese students into "critical fields", then it is everywhere. The Dutch did it. So far, it is only the French and Germans that have not restricted Chinese students or investments, at least publicly. Italy has restricted Chinese investment.

The benefits go to the Indians and maybe who knows us Africans. Koreans no dey born, so fewer people to replace. Maybe Vietnamese, but I am not too certain, especially if Vietnam does not bend to a.ttacking China. As you stated, all gloves are off. A repeat of the US War on Terror - either you are with us or against us.


Yes, China is the big winner. More talented Chinese remain in the country or are close-by thus retaining an Asian mentality.

As an aside, one of the successes of Western liberalism is furthering the notion that the US (and the West writ large) doES not operate on the primal action-reaction, push-pull paradigm. They've created this air of moral superiority where folks, especially those who buy into their dogma, believe certain actions can only be taken by Others. The Golden Billion would never. All that yucky stuff does not align with their professed values.
When an unrefined character like Trump peels back the curtain, he is met with indignation.
Like we've curated this perfect make-believe matrix. Don't blow it up.
But we all know, they do -- at least the informed ones do, that when push comes to shove, we'll all get in the trenches and throw hands like cavemen.

Others don't acquiesce, you fall back to old habits of sanctions, discrimination, sabotage, and the good ol' Freedom aircraft carriers.
Their cheerleaders would think they're beyond that.
That there is some high-level thinking to all of this.
There isn't. It's all about a primal need to dominate when in a pole position and doing everything possible to stay ahead.
Democracy. Liberty. Rights. All fancy BS that'll be sidelined at the drop of a hat when conditions deteriorate.

-Lord
My Lord!

Well done! We see them for who they are, not what they think they should be, like those who ed Labour in the UK but are aghast that the same party can propose stiff immigration policies. It is so refreshing to be brutally realistic. Like my Oga would say, always expect the worst to happen.

Thank God for Trump and China for being so stubborn. People need to know humans for who they are, not what they pretend to be.

This is a very interesting point of view to have tbvh lol

RodgersAkpafu:


Now you are making assumptions lmao

Where is your paragraph one coming from?
Now you are projecting because I don't saying what you said in paragraph 1

Apologies, but that is the sembalnce I could get, else I don't see why a citizen should be against the party that ensured their country's progress simply because of kini kon kini kon.

That said,
In response to your other post where you also mentioned me
These Chinese people I am interacting with here are people who came here to study FROM China
they have done bachelors to doctorate here

some are still students
Dr. Wang, my padi padi came here from China to also study

The same profile as the ones here, but they LOVE China and wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to it. This is why I am glad you will be in China soonest.

There is a clear distinction between them and Hong Kong people tbvh
I hear Hong Kongers don't even speak mandarin but Cantonese
Dunno so I can't say

Everything is true. Just that from the numbers, Hong Kong Chinese, especially more matured folks got into the UK in large numbers and relatively easily and with money. So, their views and numbers can skew opinions. Moreover, these ones are because of the National Security Law in the UK, aka, they want to live in a free land.

Gerrard59:

I am geninuely curious why do you believe citizens of a country like China can be made anti-C when you sanction their companies, restrict ission of their kith into your universities, bar their exports? Why do you believe Chinese citizens in the West are so unpatriotic or vehemently anti-China's progress? Don't they have parents and relatives in China? Or do you believe every Chinese student in the West will remain there till thy kingdom come?

Well because like I have told you before
The narrative is that the C is the reason why their country of origin is suffering the arrows being aimed at them in the first place

Another group of people who I relate with, though on a lesser level is the Iranians
And just like these diaspora Chinese, many of the Iranians I know BLAME the Iranian Mullah Govt for the many many sanctions heaped upon their country of origin

Like i said
The only thing working against the west now in relation to Chinese people here is the rise of "Xenophobia" and "White Supremacy" in recent years

Freedom sweet my man, and that is the weapon the western hegemony is using to lure Chinese youths away
Maybe you should come live here for a while to see for yourselves
Them having their kids here, digging taproots here and all that

Gerrard59:

Apologies, but that is the sembalnce I could get, else I don't see why a citizen should be against the party that ensured their country's progress simply because of kini kon kini kon.


The same profile as the ones here, but they LOVE China and wouldn't want to see anything bad happen to it. This is why I am glad you will be in China soonest.


Everything is true. Just that from the numbers, Hong Kong Chinese, especially more matured folks got into the UK in large numbers and relatively easily and with money. So, their views and numbers can skew opinions. Moreover, these ones are because of the National Security Law in the UK, aka, they want to live in a free land.

You have said it all
Freedom
The C will have to make adjustments and adapt to the times IF they will still be in charge for another half century

Nothing built by iron hand and force can stand the test of time because eventually pressure will crack
That's my view

One thing for sure is that every Chinese person I know loves China
But not every Chinese person loves the C

Further development can still be achieved without the draconian grip of the C, and that's the truth.

They already have the ingredients

Gerrard59:

I am geninuely curious why do you believe citizens of a country like China can be made anti-C when you sanction their companies, restrict ission of their kith into your universities, bar their exports? Why do you believe Chinese citizens in the West are so unpatriotic or vehemently anti-China's progress? Don't they have parents and relatives in China?

Or do you believe every Chinese student in the West will remain there till thy kingdom come?

As per the bolded
Yes
You seem to have forgotten that Chinese people have been "jaapaing" for centuries
Chinatown in UK is over a century old
Ditto for America as well

China exclusion act in the 19th/20th Century was signed by a racist Congress way back
If that made them stay put and not leave then
What makes you think the majority here now will leave as well.....

Seems like most ppl don't understand the game being played here

QuinQ:


This Nairaland sef. They only posted this part one in my mentions. It was when I went to your profile that I then saw parts 2 and 3.
Can you believe it? Sometimes you won't even know a person never saw your reply to them!

Anyway, I got into this discussion by way of "recent posts". I saw a post forecasting China would drop some tarrifs - funny since I just finished reading China already did just that, so I had to point out it was no forecast as I assumed he also just read it.

As for your video, I not only watched it I shortened it to 4+ minutes. My version ends with that part you said I didn't watch. Watch it and see below.

As for comparisons, US has almost all the global apps we use today, AND their competitors, AND Hollywood and Broadway, AND rap and jazz, AND
Microsoft and Apple, AND Android and IOS, AND the cities with the most billionaires, AND the top ten richest people in the world, AND both Blue Origin and Space X, etc.

So what's China's answers to all these? So it goes far beyond consumerism. In determining who wins you put all that into !

**Part 5 just appeared in my mentions. Parts 2,3,4 are still missing

4 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNfmA9meewA?si=0c_-uWZZSY8SprQ_

I agree with the bolded
Like I read somewhere
China is on track to be A power
not THE power
Because the odds are still stacked against them

America/Western Countries can run on autopilot for one year and things go still dey move
We saw that with Belgium 🇧🇪 when they had their govt deadlock

Can the C try same?
Strong institutions will ALWAYS beat strong men

Gerrard59:

So far, to be honest and fair, the Chinese have negotiated hard enough. Way much better than the Japanese during the '90s. If the Japanese had negotiated this way or even better, the Lost Decades wouldn't have happened as a result of the Plaza Accord.

Ultimately, it's not just the tarrifs that the US-led West has against China, but the ferocious marketing and market overtaking by Chinese companies across the world and China's growing scientific strength.

Just to be curious
Do you even understand WHY Plaza Accord was designed and signed in the first place ?
Or you are subscribing to anti western narratives about the Plaza Accords

Because I have seen you mention Plaza Accord again amd again
Just thought to ask

I could do a comprehensive breakdown of it if you like 👍
But again you will say I am biased lol

RodgersAkpafu:


I agree with the bolded
Like I read somewhere
China is on track to be A power
not THE power
Because the odds are still stacked against them

America/Western Countries can run on autopilot for one year and things go still dey move
We saw that with Belgium 🇧🇪 when they had their govt deadlock

Can the C try same?
Strong institutions will ALWAYS beat strong men

😆I've actually forgotten I even participated in this debate, yet at the time it seemed so important. We ought always that's how life is generally - things that seem so important today, you may not even tomorrow!

Back to topic, in real , taking everything into consideration, there is no comparison between US and China

RodgersAkpafu:


Just to be curious Do you even understand WHY Plaza Accord was designed and signed in the first place ?
Or you are subscribing to anti western narratives about the Plaza Accords Because I have seen you mention Plaza Accord again amd again Just thought to ask I could do a comprehensive breakdown of it if you like 👍
But again you will say I am biased lol

I will like to read your view. A 5 minute read of the Wikipedia page and its sources brought me to this article: https ://archive. md/fyJDF

Having read to the end, well well well, I look forward to reading your side of the story.

RodgersAkpafu:


As per the bolded
Yes
You seem to have forgotten that Chinese people have been "jaapaing" for centuries
Chinatown in UK is over a century old
Ditto for America as well

Fair point considering they and Indians constitute over a billion each. Until the rise of intercontinental travel, Africa was off limits for the Chinese just as South America was off limits for the Indians. Whites also migrated with theirs, resulting in the extermination of the natives in those countries. Only South America is the positive outcome where they intermarried with the natives. Maybe a difference between Iberians and Anglophones/Germanic folks. Germans nearly wiped out the native Nambians.

China exclusion act in the 19th/20th Century was signed by a racist Congress way back
If that made them stay put and not leave then
What makes you think the majority here now will leave as well.....

This "racist" term seems to make it look like what Biden did by restricting Chinese-American researchers from working in the Motherland be not or less "racist". The anti-China campaign is a racist one, regardless of who spearheads it. "Why should a non-White majority country sur a White one?" That to me is the crude basis. Tesla is good, but BYD is bad because of subsidies, whereas the former was ed by all sorts of subsidies.

QuinQ:


😆I've actually forgotten I even participated in this debate, yet at the time it seemed so important. We ought always that's how life is generally - things that seem so important today, you may not even tomorrow!

Back to topic, in real , taking everything into consideration, there is no comparison between US and China

That was brief, loaded, yet powerful
Wonderment

RodgersAkpafu:
@LordAdam16

How many Chinese people have you interacted with on a personal basis ?

Let's start with that?

If you have really interacted with them
You will know that the ONLY reason why the C is still in place is the "economic deliverables"

Not all that thing that you typed

If China experiences a lost decade, let's see how popular C will be

BTW I will be posted to China next year to do an exchange with a partner uni there
I'll go have a look for myself and get first hand s
Because my scope so far are Chinese students and faculty in my uni

It's 2025.
If you mean to, you can add pen pals and acquaintances from more than 100 countries.
That's before the chance encounters through college, work, travel, mutuals in a social circle, et cetera.

The bolded is an odd statement.
The US re-elected Trump because of high single digit inflation (and an open border).
The world will be set on fire if the US had a lost decade.
Their politicos will say it's someone else's fault and they'll deliberately start conflicts to distract and forcibly change their fortunes.
The US will not stay dormant and accept a Japanese reality. Dead body go surplus.

As such, the C like the US government knows its legitimacy is tied to its economic record.
Still, sweat equity is a thing.
Like conservative American boomers and their Zionist, anti-Russia fervor.
It's human nature.
Any government in all human history and in any place in the entire cosmos with the economic scorecard of the C will have the eternal adoration of the generations that lived through the rise.

Everything the US is doing right now is to force China into a lost decade.
To get the people to turn on the government.
You're splitting hairs about how the US goes about it because your political team is out of power. If you asked China to choose between discrimination of ethnic Chinese and access to high tech products, we all know the obvious pick. But because your political team is just as harsh on China, you've narrowed your faux outrage to discrimination.

On your stint in China, be discreet.
Use high EQ in any discussions about sensitive topics.
Oh, and travel. See as much of China as you can. Urban and rural. It's a magical place.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


It's 2025.
If you mean to, you can add pen pals and acquaintances from more than 100 countries.
That's before the chance encounters through college, work, travel, mutuals in a social circle, et cetera.

The bolded is an odd statement.
The US re-elected Trump because of high single digit inflation (and an open border).
The world will be set on fire if the US had a lost decade.
Their politicos will say it's someone else's fault and they'll deliberately start conflicts to distract and forcibly change their fortunes.
The US will not stay dormant and accept a Japanese reality. Dead body go surplus.

As such, the C like the US government knows its legitimacy is tied to its economic record.
Still, sweat equity is a thing.
Like conservative American boomers and their Zionist, anti-Russia fervor.
It's human nature.
Any government in all human history and in any place in the entire cosmos with the economic scorecard of the C will have the eternal adoration of the generations that lived through the rise.

Everything the US is doing right now is to force China into a lost decade.
To get the people to turn on the government.
You're splitting hairs about how the US goes about it because your political team is out of power. If you asked China to choose between discrimination of ethnic Chinese and access to high tech products, we all know the obvious pick. But because your political team is just as harsh on China, you've narrowed your faux outrage to discrimination.

On your stint in China, be discreet.
Use high EQ in any discussions about sensitive topics.
Oh, and travel. See as much of China as you can. Urban and rural. It's a magical place.

-Lord

This is a whole load of crap 💩
What is the point you are trying to drive across with this long story you have typed ?

Because I have read it twice and still don't get it

Lemme try a third time and see if I can make sense of it

EDIT
Read it a third time
Still all over the place with no coherent message

What I can deduce however, is that you are a MAGAt disciple
That explains a lot lol.

In the process of "forcing" China into a lost decade
Is it common sense to harm yourself in the process?
Throw away credibility that 12 presidents over 90 years have fought hard to build and defend ?
Antagonise allies constantly?

Doesn't make any sense at all.

Gerrard59:

Fair point considering they and Indians constitute over a billion each. Until the rise of intercontinental travel, Africa was off limits for the Chinese just as South America was off limits for the Indians. Whites also migrated with theirs, resulting in the extermination of the natives in those countries. Only South America is the positive outcome where they intermarried with the natives. Maybe a difference between Iberians and Anglophones/Germanic folks. Germans nearly wiped out the native Nambians.


This "racist" term seems to make it look like what Biden did by restricting Chinese-American researchers from working in the Motherland be not or less "racist". The anti-China campaign is a racist one, regardless of who spearheads it. "Why should a non-White majority country sur a White one?" That to me is the crude basis. Tesla is good, but BYD is bad because of subsidies, whereas the former was ed by all sorts of subsidies.

If you want to narrow it into "White vs Non White"

Which I think is reductive but let's narrow it to that for discussion sakes

You really think think this is about White vs Non White ?

That aside, let's assume it is...
You really think that a China in its current trajectory can actually unseat or lemme use your word, sur the "White ones"
Lmao

It's not even about the skin colour
But the cultural angle to it

The "western culture" is integral to its position of being ahead of the ROW.
That is the culture that is spearheading the research power and output in western countries and four decades after, even the Chinese despite their exchange programs, academic espionage and even studying and returning to China, they cannot replicate

Who has the innovative edge?
Where are the cutting edge companies coming from?

China has done well for itself but all these framing it as "White vs Non White" is funny

Japan is even more technologically advanced than China, so that alone punctures that frameworks

LordAdam16:


US spooks and generals routinely label China as their primary 21st century foe.
Just yesterday, the US expanded export restrictions on China.
Jet engine parts, semiconductor design software, specialized chemicals, and industrial machinery are no bueno.

China's fortuitous integration into the global economy is the premier reason why the US has not forced through a clean break.
It is not a question of will. The US will cleave all links to China if it could.

China is public enemy #1.
Ergo, it is state policy to sabotage any opportunity that could conceivably be leveraged to further China's progress.
Chinese STEM students and academics have had a target on their back since Bush.
It's no secret that they're the favorite punching bag of China hawks.
A Dem president will hesitate primarily because of racial underpinnings.
A Republic president, especially a populist like Trump, has no such scruples.
Put simply, they're two sides of a coin. Two peas in a pond. One is slicker but both have the same broad objectives.

-Lord

China's growth is a miracle.

For a country to withstand all the surgical and destructive policies the west have set on its path since its founding and still grew this huge only goes to show what China will become if the road is smooth.

And all these has made China and Chinese people so resilient, always on their toe, and sharpened, that if a war broke out, I bet my coin on China, because I can only imagine the tech it has hidden under its belt.

Have you seen the China drone mothership/? I can only imagine what else they are hiding if they decide to release this one to the public knowledge.

RodgersAkpafu:


If you want to narrow it into "White vs Non White" Which I think is reductive but let's narrow it to that for discussion sakes You really think think this is about White vs Non White ? That aside, let's assume it is...
You really think that a China in its current trajectory can actually unseat or lemme use your word, sur the "White ones"
Lmao It's not even about the skin colour
But the cultural angle to it

The "western culture" is integral to its position of being ahead of the ROW. That is the culture that is spearheading the research power and output in western countries and four decades after, even the Chinese despite their exchange programs, academic espionage and even studying and returning to China, they cannot replicate Who has the innovative edge? Where are the cutting edge companies coming from?

I agree with the cultural angle, but if others are doing well according to the of their culture, my position is that they should be allowed to do so and not being coerced or forced to change according to the whims of another power.

Japan is even more technologically advanced than China, so that alone punctures that frameworks

Sorry, this is not true anymore. China is way technologically advanced than Japan. I really wish you a good time in China when you eventually move there. The argument is that South Korea is clo on Japan technologically, but China is technologically advanced than both nations. Where Japan defeats China are:
- universal and equal access to quality healthcare
- a less mentally stressful education system, even though this is largely an East Asian problem
- low housing costs
- easy access to non-Chinese Internet infrastructure

pansophist:


China's growth is a miracle.

For a country to withstand all the surgical and destructive policies the west have set on its path since its founding and still grew this huge only goes to show what China will become if the road is smooth.

And all these has made China and Chinese people so resilient, always on their toe, and sharpened, that if a war broke out, I bet my coin on China, because I can only imagine the tech it has hidden under its belt.

Have you seen the China drone mothership/? I can only imagine what else they are hiding if they decide to release this one to the public knowledge.

Saw reports about the mothership.
I believe it is dual purpose. It actually has more civil use cases. Disaster relief. Event policing. Border recon (China's borderlands could do with more extensive surveillance)...

When the CMC believes it has caught up to the US in most military domains, everyone will be shocked by the new releases from China.
We got paper, gunpowder, rockets, seismoscopes because China was able to do its thing away from the meddling of the West.
Humanity's progress supersedes Western geopolitical interests.

You're fine with absolute monarchies. You're fine with Singapore's one-party state. You're fine with Vietnamese and Laotian communism.
You draw the line on the C, because they would not kowtow to your flippant designs.
We're in do your worst territory. Unbothered mode activated.
Restrict whatever tickles your fancy. Discriminate against whomever. This train has no brakes.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


Saw reports about the mothership.
I believe it is dual purpose. It actually has more civil use cases. Disaster relief. Event policing. Border recon (China's borderlands could do with more extensive surveillance)...

When the CMC believes it has caught up to the US in most military domains, everyone will be shocked by the new releases from China.
We got paper, gunpowder, rockets, seismoscopes because China was able to do its thing away from the meddling of the West.
Humanity's progress supersedes Western geopolitical interests.

You're fine with absolute monarchies. You're fine with Singapore's one-party state. You're fine with Vietnamese and Laotian communism.
You draw the line on the C, because they would not kowtow to your flippant designs.
We're in do your worst territory. Unbothered mode activated.
Restrict whatever tickles your fancy. Discriminate against whomever. This train has no brakes.

-Lord

China is not quite there yet as per the bolded
No put them for wahala lol

That said, I'll still give you a breakdown of my views on Plaza Accord later
Still have that in mind

Gerrard59:



I agree with the cultural angle, but if others are doing well according to the of their culture, my position is that they should be allowed to do so and not being coerced or forced to change according to the whims of another power.


Sorry, this is not true anymore. China is way technologically advanced than Japan. I really wish you a good time in China when you eventually move there. The argument is that South Korea is clo on Japan technologically, but China is technologically advanced than both nations. Where Japan defeats China are:
- universal and equal access to quality healthcare
- a less mentally stressful education system, even though this is largely an East Asian problem
- low housing costs
- easy access to non-Chinese Internet infrastructure

I'll wager that the bolded is NOT TRUE

RodgersAkpafu:


I'll wager that the bolded is NOT TRUE

I do wish you eventually live in China and read/listen to conversations from this part of the world.

China has sured Japan in almost every technological endeavour, especially technology infrastructure.

But hey, it's your prerogative to believe otherwise. That's how most people especially in Africa argued, but on getting here (East Asia), they saw the stark differences between technologies in China and Japan.

Gerrard59:

I do wish you eventually live in China and read/listen to conversations from this part of the world.

China has sured Japan in almost every technological endeavour, especially technology infrastructure.

But hey, it's your prerogative to believe otherwise. That's how most people especially in Africa argued, but on getting here (East Asia), they saw the stark differences between technologies in China and Japan.

You dey Japan. Person outside Japan dey argue with you say Japan China.

😂🤣😃

Comic relief plenty for NL.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


However, there should be a commensurate increase in China's profile in global economic, geopolitical, and military decision making; and China has not given the impression that they're bent on forcing wholesale changes on a quick timeframe.

For instance, if China is making changes to its industrial strategy, then Bretton Woods organizations and Western-led initiatives like the BIS should be heavily reformed, abolished, or have their work replicated by China/Global South friendly alternatives.
China has tried to adopt a more methodical approach in hopes of a smooth transition. But if the West is hurriedly pushing to unilateral break and change things, China specifically has to push for a holistic restructuring.

...a couple of rare earth and Hollywood movie restrictions is nothing. China is capable of much more.

With respect to the sentence in bold:
Yesterday, China launched the International Organization for Mediation (IOM).
33 founding member states. Representatives from 85 countries attended the g ceremony.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202505/1335164.shtml

A multi-polar world needs dozens of Axis-led organizations of a similar stature in various areas.
Glad to see concepts come alive.
We've had enough meetings and optics, its time to put the pedal to the metal.

-Lord

MODIFIED

Doesn't even matter
So fvcckk that

Gerrard59:

I do wish you eventually live in China and read/listen to conversations from this part of the world.

China has sured Japan in almost every technological endeavour, especially technology infrastructure.

But hey, it's your prerogative to believe otherwise. That's how most people especially in Africa argued, but on getting here (East Asia), they saw the stark differences between technologies in China and Japan.

Hopefully Japan gives me visa as well so I can compare and contrast

hope flight travel between Asian countries are as cheap as we have it here in Europe
@Gerrard59
Have you been to China before?

RodgersAkpafu:


Hopefully Japan gives me visa as well so I can compare and contrast

hope flight travel between Asian countries are as cheap as we have it here in Europe
@Gerra.rd59
Have you been to China before?

No to your question.

Flights are cheap, so far you don't use the major airlines. China has many affordable airline options. Within Japan, flights are ridiculously cheap, way cheaper than using the famous Bullet Trains. This applies to other countries especially in Southeast Asia.

LordAdam16:


You dey Japan. Person outside Japan dey argue with you say Japan China.

😂🤣😃

Comic relief plenty for NL.

-Lord

lol

Actually, I know why he says so. He is so pro-Western and consumes Western media content about Japan and East Asia. However, that is not entirely the true picture. At least, The Economist is honest enough to state where China has leapt over many developed countries. Some of the Internet technologies in China aren't available or widespread here. The same applies to the vast development of high-speed trains and robotics. China has installed more industrial robots than Japan, , the US and South Korea combined. While there are major Japanese robotics companies, most of the innovative development comes from China, ditto shipbuilding. For instance, in EV-related sectors, one has to work with the Chinese whether one likes it or not.

Previously, Chinese miners sent raw earth minerals to Japan for refining, but after forced consolidation by the C and massive investment, everything is done in-house. The developments to build EUV machines do not exist here, unlike in China. Chinese semiconductor-related companies are replacing their Korean peers in supplying materials to buyers in China since sanctions have blocked the Korean companies from selling. Many chemical companies in Japan rely on as much as 30% of their revenues from China. Nissan is facing serious financial issues because it cannot compete with Chinese automakers. Toyota has had to revamp its offerings to compete. Mitsubishi's CEO accused Chinese automakers of "doing too much" in Southeast Asia. People under-rate China so much, and it is so amusing, especially when the Internet is widely available for many to actually follow up on real-time developments ongoing there.

What I am glad about is that some of our social media and actual influencers are going to China and airing developments right inside the country. Those who believe otherwise should continue. By 2030, we will know how far. Merely four and a half years from now.

The stats are so clear regarding technological advancements. The Chinese have sured everyone in Asia. Korea and Japan still have their specialist areas, but are experiencing serious competition from China, but in the generalist aspects, China is number one.

Gerrard59:

lol

Actually, I know why he says so. He is so pro-Western and consumes Western media content about Japan and East Asia. However, that is not entirely the true picture. At least, The Economist is honest enough to state where China has leapt over many developed countries. Some of the Internet technologies in China aren't available or widespread here. The same applies to the vast development of high-speed trains and robotics. China has installed more industrial robots than Japan, , the US and South Korea combined. While there are major Japanese robotics companies, most of the innovative development comes from China, ditto shipbuilding. For instance, in EV-related sectors, one has to work with the Chinese whether one likes it or not.

Previously, Chinese miners sent raw earth minerals to Japan for refining, but after forced consolidation by the C and massive investment, everything is done in-house. The developments to build EUV machines do not exist here, unlike in China. Chinese semiconductor-related companies are replacing their Korean peers in supplying materials to buyers in China since sanctions have blocked the Korean companies from selling. Many chemical companies in Japan rely on as much as 30% of their revenues from China. Nissan is facing serious financial issues because it cannot compete with Chinese automakers. Toyota has had to revamp its offerings to compete. Mitsubishi's CEO accused Chinese automakers of "doing too much" in Southeast Asia. People under-rate China so much, and it is so amusing, especially when the Internet is widely available for many to actually follow up on real-time developments ongoing there.

What I am glad about is that some of our social media and actual influencers are going to China and airing developments right inside the country. Those who believe otherwise should continue. By 2030, we will know how far. Merely four and a half years from now.

The stats are so clear regarding technological advancements. The Chinese have sured everyone in Asia. Korea and Japan still have their specialist areas, but are experiencing serious competition from China, but in the generalist aspects, China is number one.

The stats are so clear regarding technological advancements. The Chinese have sured everyone in Asia. Korea and Japan still have their specialist areas, but are experiencing serious competition from China, but in the generalist aspects, China is number one

Still debatable
Even in your post you said that Japan and Korea have their specialist area
Japanese Unis are still ahead of Chinese own even though the Chinese have closed the gap, focusing on their specialist unis
The state of a country's unis is how I judge the (tech) progress of a country, and thats why I always conclude that Africa is not serious because of the state of our unis, but that's another discourse

Let's dial back

your faulty argument about "white vs non white" with respect to development?
My counter to that was that Japan WAS already more advanced than most Western Countries in a lot of technological areas

If the Westerners didn't mind then, why will they care bout China being "more advanced" if they can?


Actually, I know why he says so. He is so pro-Western and consumes Western media content about Japan and East Asia. However, that is not entirely the true picture

The bolded above is funny
It's like me saying you are Pro China and hyping China up because (maybe) like David Hundeyin, you have grievances against the west and are ing these other lot (Russia and China) because you see them as those who will press the western machine in their neck for "oppressing us".

This is likely NOT to be the case, but this the hasty conclusion I will come to if I draw my conclusions the same way you drew yours

@Gerrard59

Let's talk about the Plaza Accord

First of all, a background
The Japanese policy makers decided building an export oriented economy was the way to go, and in doing that, they DELIBERATELY weakened their currencies, (allegedly) granted subsidies to their companies and put several export duties on imported products from the USA

That in itself created a trade imbalance that benefited Japan greatly, and is against the provisions of the WTO(then GATT), but the Americans looked away for reasons best known to them. Maybe because the Japanese cars were actually better (I suspect), maybe because American oligarchs were profiting from it as well (maybe so), but the movement of American businesses to Japan, plus the Local Japanese businesses doing well, caused imbalances

When the Volcker shock of the 80s came, America was in double because not only has the yen weakened, the dollar has also appreciated in response to Volcker shock, and deregulation has began

America now seeing its in trouble (the French as well and the Germans) they ed the Japanese trade violations and used that as a bargaining chip to get them to sign the Plaza accord, which was basically saying that the dollar should be weakened (the primary thrust of it) and the rest of the world should deal with the fallout

At least the Japanese knew what was coming but they couldn't adjust in time

It is the Japanese policy response to the Plaza Accord that ruined them, not the Plaza Accord per se in my opinion. Did the Japanese really think the USD will stay strong forever ?

China has been committing many trade violations as well, America has been looking the other way because of the indirect, underhand benefits they were getting Trump however, is NOT a competent president to navigate changing times and is giving knee jerk reactions that is making matters worse.

The Chinese trade team, to their credit were ready to negotiate something that COULD work, and to be honest, they have been clamping down on IP theft and abuse by local people on western IP in recent years, they held up to that end.
But Trump goes scorched earth, now here we are

The Chinese keeping their currency the way it is as a trade policy is foul play and cheating
The Americans doing quantitative easing is a counter argument that the Chinese make

But Quantitative easing is NOT a trade policy, nor was it done for trade policy motive
BUT
The RMB tinkering is a trade policy

On a final note, it is very easy to say that the plaza accord was this. "weapon' used by the weat to cripple Japan, but again ask yourself, did the Japanese really think that this will go on forever? i.e continued weakening of the currency plus trade restrictions via violating NT?]

Gerrard59:

lol

Actually, I know why he says so. He is so pro-Western and consumes Western media content about Japan and East Asia. However, that is not entirely the true picture. At least, The Economist is honest enough to state where China has leapt over many developed countries. Some of the Internet technologies in China aren't available or widespread here. The same applies to the vast development of high-speed trains and robotics. China has installed more industrial robots than Japan, , the US and South Korea combined. While there are major Japanese robotics companies, most of the innovative development comes from China, ditto shipbuilding. For instance, in EV-related sectors, one has to work with the Chinese whether one likes it or not.

Previously, Chinese miners sent raw earth minerals to Japan for refining, but after forced consolidation by the C and massive investment, everything is done in-house. The developments to build EUV machines do not exist here, unlike in China. Chinese semiconductor-related companies are replacing their Korean peers in supplying materials to buyers in China since sanctions have blocked the Korean companies from selling. Many chemical companies in Japan rely on as much as 30% of their revenues from China. Nissan is facing serious financial issues because it cannot compete with Chinese automakers. Toyota has had to revamp its offerings to compete. Mitsubishi's CEO accused Chinese automakers of "doing too much" in Southeast Asia. People under-rate China so much, and it is so amusing, especially when the Internet is widely available for many to actually follow up on real-time developments ongoing there.

What I am glad about is that some of our social media and actual influencers are going to China and airing developments right inside the country. Those who believe otherwise should continue. By 2030, we will know how far. Merely four and a half years from now.

The stats are so clear regarding technological advancements. The Chinese have sured everyone in Asia. Korea and Japan still have their specialist areas, but are experiencing serious competition from China, but in the generalist aspects, China is number one.

You've got to give it to the West.
They're skilled in shaping narratives.
Goebbels will be green with envy.

One of China's endearing idiosyncrasies is that when they excel at something, they establish a lead so unassailable that even the biggest skeptic acknowledges their exploits.
Did it with manufacturing, trains, cars, shipbuilding.
Rodgers and pro-Westerners will eventually come around. China's deeds make it inevitable.

Korea and Japan are fortunate that the US is intransigent.
Demand in strategic, high-ticket sectors is assured because the West is wary of China.
For instance, the West will not let China do to Korean/Japanese shipbuilding what they did to SK/JAP mobile phone brands.

-Lord

Mr RodgersAkpafu,

I have seen your quote and will reply soonest.