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Kobojunkie:
This isn't true at all since the commandment you insist is core principle is only one out of about 613 Statutes and commandments given by the God of Israel to the Israelites in Leviticus 19 vs 18 - 22

The 613 commandments indeed encom a vast range of laws and statutes, but the commandment to “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18) is considered the central principle that encapsulates the essence of the entire Bible. This is not merely my opinion but is rooted in the teachings of all the Saints - This is a great rule in the Bible.

The other commandments can be understood as specific applications of this general principle. They provide the practical guidelines through which we can attain the principle of love in the intention and connection, whether in our relationships with others, our conduct in society, or our spiritual development.

Therefore, the purpose of the 613 commandments is to elevate a person to attain love in the intention and connection with others by rising above the ego, leading ultimately to the attainment of equivalence of form with the Creator. This is the very heart of the wisdom of bible interpretation, which teaches us how to rise above our egoistic nature and truly fulfill the commandment of love.

BibleInterpreta:

Religion is the different expressions of humanity’s search for connection with the Creator, each tailored to the needs of specific souls at different stages of its development and correction. It is a system of rituals, dogmas, and institutions, a human creation designed to organize and interpret the innate desire to connect with the higher force or the Creator. While religions are human attempts to grasp the ungraspable, they often become rigid system of control, dividing people rather than uniting them in the shared purpose of spiritual elevation.
However, When One Is Ready to know the truth, and Attain the Creator's quality of love and bestowal in the intention, one must transcend the degree of religion.
If you are a beginner in bible interpretation study, this is a good place for you to start engaging.👇
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So are you religious?

Truthseeker10:

So are you religious?

I'm not - When One Is Ready to know the truth, and Attain the Creator's quality of love and bestowal in the intention, one must transcend the degree of religion. Bible Interpretation transcends the degree of religion.

Degrees of Desire

There are four degrees to the egoistic desires to receive. These four are the degrees of religion:

i) Inanimate Degree: Physical desires for food, sex, procreation and shelter;

Ii) Vegetative Degree: Desire for money;

iii) Animate Degree: Desire for Control (power), honor, and fame.

iv) Speaking Degree: Desire for Knowledge.

_______________When one crosses the Psychological barrier of egoistic self-interest________________👇

v. Spiritual degree: When you attain the intention of love/bestowal towards people. This transcends the egoistic degrees of desire. This degree transcends religion.

You'll find similar pattern in the seven days of creation:

Degrees of Creation

1. Inanimate Degree:

Heavens, earth, light, day, night (Day 1, Genesis 1:1–5 );

Sky, waters above/below (Day 2, Genesis 1:6–8 );

Dry land, seas (Day 3, Genesis 1:9–10 );

Sun, moon, stars (Day 4, Genesis 1:14–19 ).

2. Vegetative Degree:

Vegetation, plants, fruit trees (Day 3, Genesis 1:11–13);

Trees in Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:9).

3. Animate Degree:

Sea creatures, birds (Day 5, Genesis 1:20–23);

Land animals (livestock, creeping things, beasts) (Day 6, Genesis 1:24–25).

4. Speaking Degree:

Humans (male and female) (Day 6, Genesis 1:26–31);

Adam, Eve (Genesis 2:7, 2:18–25).

5. Spiritual Degree:

Rest, sanctified seventh day (Day 7, Genesis 2:1–3).

BibleInterpreta:

I'm not - When One Is Ready to know the truth, and Attain the Creator's quality of love and bestowal in the intention, one must transcend the degree of religion. Bible Interpretation transcends the degree of religion.

Degrees of Desire

There are four degrees to the egoistic desires to receive. These four are the degrees of religion:

i) Inanimate Degree: Physical desires for food, sex, procreation and shelter;

Ii) Vegetative Degree: Desire for money;

iii) Animate Degree: Desire for Control (power), honor, and fame.

iv) Speaking Degree: Desire for Knowledge.

_______________When one crosses the Psychological barrier of egoistic self-interest________________👇

v. Spiritual degree: When you attain the intention of love/bestowal towards people. This transcends the egoistic degrees of desire. This degree transcends religion.

You'll find similar pattern in the seven days of creation:

Degrees of Creation

1. Inanimate Degree:

Heavens, earth, light, day, night (Day 1, Genesis 1:1–5 );

Sky, waters above/below (Day 2, Genesis 1:6–8 );

Dry land, seas (Day 3, Genesis 1:9–10 );

Sun, moon, stars (Day 4, Genesis 1:14–19 ).

2. Vegetative Degree:

Vegetation, plants, fruit trees (Day 3, Genesis 1:11–13);

Trees in Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:9).

3. Animate Degree:

Sea creatures, birds (Day 5, Genesis 1:20–23);

Land animals (livestock, creeping things, beasts) (Day 6, Genesis 1:24–25).

4. Speaking Degree:

Humans (male and female) (Day 6, Genesis 1:26–31);

Adam, Eve (Genesis 2:7, 2:18–25).

5. Spiritual Degree:

Rest, sanctified seventh day (Day 7, Genesis 2:1–3).

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BibleInterpreta:
➜The 613 commandments indeed encom a vast range of laws and statutes, but the commandment to “Love your neighbor as yourself” (Leviticus 19:18) is considered the central principle that encapsulates the essence of the entire Bible.
➜ This is not merely my opinion but is rooted in the teachings of all the Saints - This is a great rule in the Bible.
➜ The other commandments can be understood as specific applications of this general principle. They provide the practical guidelines through which we can attain the principle of love in the intention and connection, whether in our relationships with others, our conduct in society, or our spiritual development.
➜ Therefore, the purpose of the 613 commandments is to elevate a person to attain love in the intention and connection with others by rising above the ego, leading ultimately to the attainment of equivalence of form with the Creator. This is the very heart of the wisdom of bible interpretation, which teaches us how to rise above our egoistic nature and truly fulfill the commandment of love.

1. This is false given that the commandment to stone a rebellious son in Deuteronomy 21 vs 18 - 21 does not seem directly or indirectly connected to the commandment detailed in Leviticus 19 vs 18 in the way you attempt. They exist as different commandments all making up the details of the Law of Moses, the Covenant itself.

2. This claim of yours is again false, as there are no saints who taught any such!

3. Every one of the 613 commandments, including that recorded in Leviticus 19 vs 18 serves that same purpose.

4. If the purpose of all 613 is to attain this love which you claim, then that means your initial claims made regarding the one commandment— Leviticus 19 vs 18 — are wholly false.

Kobojunkie:
1. This is false given that the commandment to stone a rebellious son in Deuteronomy 21 vs 18 - 21 does not seem directly or indirectly connected to the commandment detailed in Leviticus 19 vs 18.

2. This claim of yours is again false!

3. Every one of the 613 commandments, including that recorded in Leviticus 19 vs 18 serves that same purpose.

4. If the purpose of all 613 is to attain this love which you claim, then that means your initial claims made regarding the one commandment— Leviticus 19 vs 18 — is wholly false.

Where is NNTR aka Muttleylaff-chicken?

BibleInterpreta:

Lucifyre, you seem to wield words like weapons

Truth is not a slippery slope truth is truth. Any opinion asserted as a fact especially one that's dishonest, disingenuous and an outright lie when investigated, should be called out for what it is, no sentiments. It's an irritating thing to do and an insult on the intelligence of the ones presented with said opinion. And it's no surprise this is done mostly by those from dogmatic backgrounds, where nothing, even authority is questioned and everything is bought hook, line and sinker.

There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion or world view and leaving it at that but to then assert and insist upon it as factual through mental gymnastics when presented with actual facts and evidence is disingenuous and outright disgusting. Example, how can u outrightly state the bible precedes religion or that there's a known methodology for objective interpretation of the bible and then go on vague platitudes and tangents cause even you know it's an empty assertion and then expect to be applauded, nah!

As for your attempt at a tangent and been patronizing I can only chuckle. It's an anonymous forum for a reason.

Kobojunkie:
1. This is false given that the commandment to stone a rebellious son in Deuteronomy 21 vs 18 - 21 does not seem directly or indirectly connected to the commandment detailed in Leviticus 19 vs 18 in the way you attempt. They exist as different commandments all making up the details of the Law of Moses, the Covenant itself.

2. This claim of yours is again false, as there are no saints who taught any such!

3. Every one of the 613 commandments, including that recorded in Leviticus 19 vs 18 serves that same purpose.

4. If the purpose of all 613 is to attain this love which you claim, then that means your initial claims made regarding the one commandment— Leviticus 19 vs 18 — are wholly false.

Kobojunkie, let me clarify these points from the perspective of bible interpretation:

1. The Commandment to Stone a Rebellious Son (Deuteronomy 21:18-21):
On the surface, this commandment appears harsh and unrelated to the commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18). However, in bible interpretation, these commandments are not taken literally but are understood as internal spiritual states. The "rebellious son" represents a specific desire within a person that is entirely self-centered and resistant to correction. To "stone" such a desire means to nullify its egoistic expression. Thus, even such seemingly severe commandments are ultimately directed toward correcting our inner nature to align with the principle of love and unity.

2. The Teaching of “Love your neighbor as yourself as the core spiritual principle in the bible:" This does not negate the importance of other commandments but highlights that all commandments are aimed at cultivating this fundamental principle.

3. The Purpose of the 613 Commandments:
Indeed, every one of the 613 commandments serves to correct a specific aspect of our egoistic nature, thereby leading us to the ultimate goal of love and unity in the intention. In the spiritual sense, each commandment is a specific method to transform a particular desire from self-interest to altruistic love. The commandments are not isolated; they are interconnected steps in the process of spiritual correction.

4. The Purpose of the Bible:
The Bible is not a collection of arbitrary laws. Rather, it is a comprehensive method to correct human nature from egoism to altruism, from separation to unity. The commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself" is the culminating principle, the intended outcome of all the 613 commandments. They provide the specific means to attain that overarching state of love and bestowal in the intention, thereby aligning with the Creator’s nature.
Thus, the assertion that "the other commandments can be understood as specific applications of this general principle" is not false but rather a fundamental teaching in Bible Interpretation, emphasizing the inner, spiritual work required to rise above egoism and achieve genuine love in the intention and connection with others.

BibleInterpreta:
...., let me clarify these points from the perspective of bible interpretation:
1. The Commandment to Stone a Rebellious Son (Deuteronomy 21:18-21):
On the surface, this commandment appears harsh and unrelated to the commandment to "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Leviticus 19:18). However, in bible interpretation, these commandments are not taken literally but are understood as internal spiritual states. The "rebellious son" represents a specific desire within a person that is entirely self-centered and resistant to correction. To "stone" such a desire means to nullify its egoistic expression. Thus, even such seemingly severe commandments are ultimately directed toward correcting our inner nature to align with the principle of love and unity.

I am sorry, but this is pure bullsheet!

Recall, I had earlier asked you why this consistent need for interpretations where none is required. I had commented earlier that the simple reason for the existence of over 46,000 different denominations/clans/cults/divisions in the one and same religion over almost every issue has entirely to do with the fact that every Christianity is a religion of interpretations/doctrines and not facts—Scriptural. Yet here you are doing exactly the same... offering up religious bullsheet to me?

The God of Israel — YHWH— who gave that law contained in Deuteronomy 21 vs 18 -21 to His people did so with the expectation that His people would obey His commandments. This was the mandate He gave to them after all. Your attempts to water this commandment down in an attempt to cause YHWH to see like a God unserious with His Covenant are ludicrous.

Lucifyre:


Truth is not a slippery slope truth is truth. Any opinion asserted as a fact especially one that's dishonest, disingenuous and an outright lie when investigated, should be called out for what it is, no sentiments. It's an irritating thing to do and an insult on the intelligence of the ones presented with said opinion. And it's no surprise this is done mostly by those from dogmatic backgrounds, where nothing, even authority is questioned and everything is bought hook, line and sinker.

There's nothing wrong with stating your opinion or world view and leaving it at that but to then assert and insist upon it as factual through mental gymnastics when presented with actual facts and evidence is disingenuous and outright disgusting. Example, how can u outrightly state the bible precedes religion or that there's a known methodology for objective interpretation of the bible and then go on vague platitudes and tangents cause even you know it's an empty assertion and then expect to be applauded, nah!

As for your attempt at a tangent and been patronizing I can only chuckle. It's an anonymous forum for a reason.

You have not yet presented what you refer to as the 'objective truth.' I am eager to learn from your depth of knowledge. I am well-versed in science, so where applicable, please present the scientific evidence that may your argument. I would like to understand your perspective and worldview. Feel free to go as deep as you like—I am up to the task.

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry, but this is pure bullsheet!

Recall, I had earlier asked you why this consistent need for interpretations where none is required. I had commented earlier that the simple reason for the existence of over 46,000 different denominations/clans/cults/divisions in the one and same religion over almost every issue has entirely to do with the fact that every Christianity is a religion of interpretations/doctrines and not facts—Scriptural. Yet here you are doing exactly the same... offering up religious bullsheet to me?

The God of Israel — YHWH— who gave that law contained in Deuteronomy 21 vs 18 -21 to His people did so with the expectation that His people would obey His commandments. This was the mandate He gave to them after all. Your attempts to water this commandment down in an attempt to cause YHWH to see like a God unserious with His Covenant are ludicrous.

Are you aware that the bible is written in the language of the branches?

Lucifyre:


Typical empty vague platitiudes. Boring 🥱

You dismissed my statement "No one is capable of understanding reality beyond his degree of qualitative development." as "Typical empty vague platitiudes. Boring"🥱

Are you not aware of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity?

BibleInterpreta:

You have not yet presented what you refer to as the 'objective truth.' I am eager to learn from your depth of knowledge. I am well-versed in science, so where applicable, please present the scientific evidence that may your argument. I would like to understand your perspective and worldview. Feel free to go as deep as you like—I am up to the task.

Nah you're not, if you were you wouldn't assert "the bible precedes religion" an absurd claim u've failed to demonstrate and doesn't even logically make sense to begin with. Can a car precede driving a car or a pen precede writing with a pen. Makes no sense. Neither would you claim there's some biblical interpretation methodology, which would need to be objective in the first place and is quite ironic considering your topic about denominations showing there's obviously none, if not everyone would be aware of it and adhere to it.

Anyways I'd indulge you. "Objective truth refers to facts or realities that exist independently of personal beliefs, opinions, or perceptions. It can be verified and confirmed through evidence, making it universally true regardless of individual viewpoints". Now what is this biblical interpretation methodology and how did the bible precede religion.

BibleInterpreta:

You dismissed my statement "No one is capable of understanding reality beyond his degree of qualitative development." as "Typical empty vague platitiudes. Boring"🥱

Are you not aware of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity?

And how is that your biblical interpretation methodology.

Lucifyre:


And how is that your biblical interpretation methodology.

If you understand Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, then you will grasp my statement: "No one is capable of understanding reality beyond their degree of qualitative development."

They are all Roman contraptions

BibleInterpreta:

Are you aware that the bible is written in the language of the branches?

The Septuagint was written in the Greek language same as much of the other Scriptures that were written in the First century, this is a human language, and once translated, do not require interpretation. Why do you believe it is OK to apply an interpretation where the authors of the various texts never suggested or required any of that?

Kobojunkie:
The Septuagint was written in the Greek language same as much of the other Scriptures that were written in the First century, this is a human language, and once translated, do not require interpretation. Why do you believe it is OK to apply an interpretation where the authors of the various texts never suggested or required any of that?

Did you know that the bible uses worldly appellations (Bible Language of the branches) to describe spiritual method of correction?
The mental assent Bible teachers, preachers, and general overseers teach the Bible using the language of the branches, resulting in division rather than unity.
Everyone who lacks this basic understanding would not be able to comprehend even a single issue in the Bible correctly.
He would overturn the issues in the Bible from good to bad and from bad to good (labelling everything by corporeal standards through his five biological sensors).
In fact, he would not find his hands or legs in anything (biblical matters) - This is the reality with the over 40,000 religious church system, all their followers, and general overseers.

MrPresident1:
They are all Roman contraptions

Beyond the corporeal entity of 'Roman' lies a more dangerous reality, our egoistic intentions. The human egoistic calculations are the root of all evil in our corporeal world.

An edifice of lies built on a foundation of quicksand. The egoistic intentions is the edifice, the Roman world is the foundation

The stone that is cut out without hands will crush them all

BibleInterpreta:

Beyond the corporeal entity of 'Roman' lies a more dangerous reality, our egoistic intentions. The human egoistic calculations are the root of all evil in our corporeal world.

BibleInterpreta:
we have only one bible

No you don't.

OUR BODIES ARE TEMPLES OF GOD. A TEMPLE IS A SMALLER UNIT OF A CHURCH. WHEN YOU LEVERAGE THE TEMPLE IN YOU, YOU BECOME A CHURCH. SO EVERY CHRISTIAN IS A CHURCH OF GOD. QED.

CALVARY GREETINGS !!!

orisa37:
OUR BODIES ARE TEMPLES OF GOD. A TEMPLE IS A SMALLER UNIT OF A CHURCH. WHEN YOU LEVERAGE THE TEMPLE IN YOU, YOU BECOME A CHURCH. SO EVERY CHRISTIAN IS A CHURCH OF GOD. QED.

CALVARY GREETINGS !!!

Explain Hebrews 10:24,25.

BibleInterpreta:

If you understand Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, then you will grasp my statement: "No one is capable of understanding reality beyond their degree of qualitative development."

Dont know why my comment was deleted. Anyways see attached SS.

MrPresident1:
An edifice of lies built on a foundation of quicksand. The egoistic intentions is the edifice, the Roman world is the foundation

The stone that is cut out without hands will crush them all

It is the force of unity that emerges not from human hands, not from egoistic calculations, but from the correction of the ego with the intention of love. This force will shatter the illusion of the egoistic world, revealing the truth that only through connection, mutual responsibility, and attaining love of others in the intention can we build a lasting structure — the spiritual edifice of a corrected humanity.
The question is, are we ready to see it, or will we cling to the collapsing tower of ego until it crumbles beneath us?

Lucifyre:


Dont know why my comment was deleted. Anyways see attached SS.

If you understand Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, then you will grasp my statement: "No one is capable of understanding reality beyond their degree of qualitative development."
In addition, there is no contradiction between the bible and the scientific s of reality. Each offers insights into different dimensions of reality, the spiritual and the physical, and together they provide a more comprehensive understanding of our reality.
Here is a good example 👉https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/8428941/q-genesis-creation--contradicts

BibleInterpreta:
Did you know that the bible uses worldly appellations (Bible Language of the branches) to describe spiritual method of correction?
The mental assent Bible teachers, preachers, and general overseers teach the Bible using the language of the branches, resulting in division rather than unity.Everyone who lacks this basic understanding would not be able to comprehend even a single issue in the Bible correctly.
He would overturn the issues in the Bible from good to bad and from bad to good (labelling everything by corporeal standards through his five biological sensors). In fact, he would not find his hands or legs in anything (biblical matters) - This is the reality with the over 40,000 religious church system, all their followers, and general overseers.

These your responses reads more like what another of the numerous Christian denominations would say in order to argue that their own interpretation is the most superior over the others. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Again, my questions to you are as follows. The Septuagint was written in the Greek language, similar to much of the other Scriptures that were written in the first century. This is a human language, and once translated, it does not require interpretation. Why do you believe it is OK to apply an interpretation where the authors of the various texts never suggested or required any of that?

Kobojunkie:
These your responses reads more like what another of the numerous Christian denominations would say in order to argue that their own interpretation is the most superior over the others. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Again, my questions to you are as follows. The Septuagint was written in the Greek language, similar to much of the other Scriptures that were written in the first century. This is a human language, and once translated, it does not require interpretation. Why do you believe it is OK to apply an interpretation where the authors of the various texts never suggested or required any of that?

Are you aware that the core spiritual principle of the Bible, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' was taught as far back as 5,785 years ago?
It was ed down orally from generation to generation.
This the simple reality, no one is capable of understanding reality beyond their degree of qualitative development.

BibleInterpreta:
➜Are you aware that the core spiritual principle of the Bible, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' was taught as far back as 5,785 years ago?
➜It was ed down orally from generation to generation.

Taught by whom to whom?

2. ed down orally from what people's generation?

BibleInterpreta:
➜Are you aware that the core spiritual principle of the Bible, 'Love your neighbor as yourself,' was taught as far back as 5,785 years ago?
➜It was ed down orally from generation to generation.
➜ no one is capable of understanding reality beyond their degree of qualitative development

Taught by whom to whom?

2. ed down orally from what people's generation?

3. If one refuses to accept a text as written by his fellow humans in human language, how can one boast of understanding reality, let alone pretend understanding of that which may lie beyond reality?

Again, my previous questions to you remain unanswered. The Septuagint was written in the Greek language, similar to much of the other Scriptures that were written in the first century. This is a human language, and once translated, it does not require interpretation. Why do you believe it is OK to apply an interpretation where the authors of the various texts never suggested or required any of that?