NewStats: 3,263,941 , 8,181,989 topics. Date: Sunday, 08 June 2025 at 09:31 PM 2v6s57

Nukilia:
Instead of chasing after the boko boys slaughtering soldiers, the comedians are attacking utomi

U are old enough to yap nonsense on social media, but u are too young to the Nigerian armed forces abi?

franchasng:
I thought Ronu miscreants said Pat Utomi was working for Tinubu during 2023 Presidential election? Lies and propaganda can never go far before they get exposed



I heard Emilokan almost peed in his diapers the day Pat Utomi announced he was inaugurating a shadow government, some people's Jagaban



Pat give it to them hot hot sir

You heard, who told u NTA or BBC?

omonnakoda:
Please tell us ONE country practising the presidential system where the so called opposition party has declared a Shadow Government . Just ONE please

Also Is Pat Utomi the leader of an opposition party in Nigeria?

You mean to say that shadow government is illegal in Presidential system of government?
Please, let me learn from you. Answer me.

omonnakoda:




With due respect all you are doing is interpretation the way it seems good to you in a limited way

I think it is a good thing to put the question to the courts to make the interpretation
However I do not think that is a function of the DSS perhaps the attorney General should do that or the DSS could have arrested him and charged him if they think there is any offence. At this point it would seem they don't think there is any offence or are cautious because it is Utomi

In theory I see nothing wrong with Utomi doing what he is doing from the discussion perspective but calling it a shadow government at the very least is provocative and the court could actually deem that unconstitutional. I do not see that as far fetched

They could do all their discussion and criticism without calling it a shadow government. The terminology matters in my opinion but ultimately that is for the court to decide
They could call it Citizens Demand Good Government or something like that and it would be less of a problem
We have many groups that call government to e.g SERAP doint their thing without problem. The use of the word GOVERNMENT is the issue here . Nothing more let us be honest about that

Quoting the constitution does not make you right .It is always subject to interpretation

Not ALL ideas can be exchanged without interference . That is fiction

The ideology of Boko Haram for example can be interfered with and so many other ideas and views can be regulated or lead to the designation of a group as criminal and its proscription

Nothing in the constitution is absolute and unconditional


The right to associate freely can be interpreted as the right to gay marriage but we ban it and quite rightly so

There are always limits

Respectfully, your position overestimates legal ambiguity and underestimates constitutional protection.

Freedom of association + speech includes political expression—even controversial labels like “shadow government”—unless direct incitement or violence is proven (which has not occurred). Courts have ruled repeatedly that discomfort is not illegality.

The DSS is not a judicial interpreter—its job is national security, not semantics or political suppression. The AG or judiciary should handle constitutionality, not armed agencies acting preemptively.

Terminology like “Citizens Demand Good Government” is cosmetic. Intent and action matter. SERAP uses aggressive legal framing, yet is protected because it operates within the law.

If courts begin banning groups based on names, we slide into authoritarianism by language policing. That’s dangerous.

Finally, invoking Boko Haram is a false equivalency. Shadow government ≠ violent extremism. That conflation dilutes the seriousness of real threats.

You cannot defend constitutional violations by claiming “not all rights are absolute”—unless there’s a clear and present danger. Naming a group “shadow government” isn’t that. It’s politics. Let the ballot, not bullets, counter it.

malali:


Respectfully, your position overestimates legal ambiguity and underestimates constitutional protection.

Freedom of association + speech includes political expression—even controversial labels like “shadow government”—unless direct incitement or violence is proven (which has not occurred). Courts have ruled repeatedly that discomfort is not illegality.

The DSS is not a judicial interpreter—its job is national security, not semantics or political suppression. The AG or judiciary should handle constitutionality, not armed agencies acting preemptively.

Terminology like “Citizens Demand Good Government” is cosmetic. Intent and action matter. SERAP uses aggressive legal framing, yet is protected because it operates within the law.

If courts begin banning groups based on names, we slide into authoritarianism by language policing. That’s dangerous.

Finally, invoking Boko Haram is a false equivalency. Shadow government ≠ violent extremism. That conflation dilutes the seriousness of real threats.

You cannot defend constitutional violations by claiming “not all rights are absolute”—unless there’s a clear and present danger. Naming a group “shadow government” isn’t that. It’s politics. Let the ballot, not bullets, counter it.

My position is

You are not the court and The court will decide all that you have is an opinion which is very important to you but which will have no impact on the outcome in court

I hope that is simple clear and unambiguous enough

You seem to be one of those individuals who like to talk for talking sake
Once a matter is in court we wait for the outcome all this self-indulgent pseudo-intellectualism is.............................NOISE

Psoul:


You mean to say that shadow government is illegal in Presidential system of government?
Please, let me learn from you. Answer me.

I did not say anything AT ALL

I simply asked you two questions

Please tell us ONE country practising the presidential system where the so called opposition party has declared a Shadow Government . Just ONE please

Also Is Pat Utomi the leader of an opposition party in Nigeria?

Do you have any useful response to the questions?

malali:

Utomi’s shadow cabinet is simply an expression of political opinion and policy alternative, not a coup or treason.
2. Shadow Governments Are Not Illegal—They’re Democratic Tools
• Common in Westminster-style democracies like the UK and Canada. They serve as a counterbalance to executive dominance.
• A shadow cabinet doesn’t exercise executive power—it critiques those who do.

I am afraid you are confusing Fathi with Fatai.

The shadow cabinet in the UK is his majesty's government official Opposition. This entity should not be confused with a shadow government.

Shadow Cabinet , commonly known as shadow ministers, are usually appointed by the leader of the Opposition (currently Kemi Badenoch). The roles of shadow ministers are to develop alternative policies, hold the government to for its actions and responses, and act as spokespeople for the opposition party in their own specific policy areas.[1] By convention, shadow ministers are drawn either from serving of the House of Commons or the House of Lords, with most chosen from the former. Since July 2024, the Conservative Party has been the Official Opposition, and its leadership therefore forms the current Shadow Cabinet.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Opposition_Shadow_Cabinet_(United_Kingdom)

omonnakoda:
I did not say anything AT ALL

I simply asked you two questions

Please tell us ONE country practicing the presidential system where the so called opposition party has declared a Shadow Government . Just ONE please

Also Is Pat Utomi the leader of an opposition party in Nigeria?

Do you have any useful response to the questions?

First of all you need to understand what shadow government is all about.
People liking shadow government to process to topple the government of the day as if it is a coup are just trying to make it sound devilish or undemocratic.
Shadow government is just all about normal playing of political opposition which involve policy critique and providing alternative.

In as much as shadow government is more pronounced in Parliamentary System of government than the Presidential system which Nigeria practice is just about structure which offers more separation of power to the later than the former.

For instance, US plays the Shadow government though it may not be pronounce like the case in the UK or other countries that run parliamentary system.
There are some opposition groups in the US that can be seen as de facto shadow government.
Brooking and Cato Institutes are few examples of that de facto shadow government in the US.

Why u don't see profound shadow government in Presidential system is cos of existence of separation of power. The opposition in both the Judiciary and Legislative arms play the opposition there but in Nigeria, the separation of power is theoretical and not real thereby giving rise to a pronounced shadow government which Utomi has spearheaded.

Then asking if Utomi is the leader of the opposition party is an unnecessary question.
Shadow governments are mostly form by the senior of opposition party. Utomi has the right to move for the formation or even form it so long as the opposition group(s) is(are) okay with him.
For now, his party has not complained about it.
Let's wait till the party opposed him.

Psoul:


First of all you need to understand what shadow government is all about.
People liking shadow government to process to topple the government of the day as if it is a coup are just trying to make it sound devilish or undemocratic.
Shadow government is just all about normal playing of political opposition which involve policy critique and providing alternative.

In as much as shadow government is more pronounced in Parliamentary System of government than the Presidential system which Nigeria practice is just about structure which offers more separation of power to the later than the former.

For instance, US plays the Shadow government though it may not be pronounce like the case in the UK or other countries that run parliamentary system.
There are some opposition groups in the US that can be seen as de facto shadow government.
Brookings and Cato Institutes are few examples of that de facto shadow government in the US.

Then asking if Utomi is the leader of the opposition party is an unnecessary question.
Shadow governments are mostly form by the senior of opposition party. Utomi has the right to move for the formation or even form it so long as the opposition group(s) is(are) okay with him.
For now, his party has not complained about it.
Let's wait till the party opposed him.

So the US has a shadow government ? Please make the answer Yes or No to avoid confusion

Is Pat Utomi the leader of an opposition party in Nigeria

Again please Yes or No

omonnakoda:
My position is

You are not the court and The court will decide all that you have is an opinion which is very important to you but which will have no impact on the outcome in court

I hope that is simple clear and unambiguous enough

You seem to be one of those individuals who like to talk for talking sake
Once a matter is in court we wait for the outcome all this self-indulgent pseudo-intellectualism is.............................NOISE

Your rebuke sounds definitive, but it’s built on an intellectual house of mirrors. The irony is thick: you accuse me of “pseudo-intellectual noise” while simultaneously pontificating on court matters without any legal citation, precedent, or clarity of doctrine.

If your position is simply that only the court decides, then by that logic, your entire argument becomes invalid the moment you open your mouth—because you’re not the court either. You can’t dismiss my opinion while presenting your own as if it’s canon law. That’s not debate. That’s self-flattery.

You’ve reduced reasoned exchange to “noise” because you’re uncomfortable being intellectually challenged. That’s not strength. That’s retreat disguised as righteousness.

Some of us talk not for the sake of it, but because silence enables tyranny, and lazy thinking es for truth. If nuance offends you, the problem is not the speaker—it’s the listener.

Courts decide legality. Public opinion decides legitimacy. Learn the difference.

And for someone who claims not to care for talk—you sure typed a lot of it.

omonnakoda:


So the US has a shadow government ? Please make the answer Yes or No to avoid confusion

Is Pat Utomi the leader of an opposition party in Nigeria

Again please Yes or No

If you are still asking these questions after reading my comment, then, I don't need to keep talking with you.
I don't have that luxury of helping someone that cannot understand clear explanation.
Please continue with anything you want to.

Burob:
U are old enough to yap nonsense on social media, but u are too young to the Nigerian armed forces abi?

Whats wrong with you ing the armed forces as a sacrificial lamb to the bl**d thirsty BHT.

Tochi3:


..why a military man..? Why not a civilian..? Why a soldier...? Why not a Civilian .?..did the constitution say it must be a military ..?

..why must it be a military man.. are we in a military rule ..?.. why Sack a whole State Assembly elected by the people..?

..Thief'nubu who lied that he fought for democrazy..jettisoned democrazy in River State..while under a fake democratic malistration of mandate thieves..

they all civilians

helinues:
Is there anything wrong in forming Shadow cabinet as opposition?

is illegal in our country

KingOfPeaceJoy:
For what?
Did he take any budget to any parallel Senate or their Ministers involved in government 's work ?

Chasing shadows all the time. I pissed on APC (All Prominent Criminals)
.

why become a shadow(pun intended) when you know they will chase you? Got to watch out for technical fouls at this level. These mfs don't play. See what they did to Abiola for declaring he was president

thatigboman:
did Jonathan remove the gov? Did he suspend house of assembly?

It was at his own discretion, maybe fear of North's backlash.

luckyz4rea:


So does the constitution allow the removal of a democratically elected officials?

Yes it gives him powers to take extraordinary measures.

ufotunang:


And has Pat utomi formed any shadow government to Tinubu government... in which DSS has already taken action by sueing him to court

Were you living under a rock when he was announcing his cabinet?

malali:
1. Freedom of Association & Expression is Protected by the Constitution
• Section 39(1) of the 1999 Nigerian Constitution guarantees:
“Every person shall be entitled to freedom of expression, including freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart ideas and information without interference.”
• Section 40 further states:
“Every person shall be entitled to assemble freely and associate with other persons…”


Utomi’s shadow cabinet is simply an expression of political opinion and policy alternative, not a coup or treason.
2. Shadow Governments Are Not Illegal—They’re Democratic Tools
• Common in Westminster-style democracies like the UK and Canada. They serve as a counterbalance to executive dominance.
• A shadow cabinet doesn’t exercise executive power—it critiques those who do.

This is not a westminster style democracy
Words matter

Criticism ≠ Coup. Ideas ≠ Insurrection.
3. DSS Overreach Undermines Democracy
• DSS alleging “mimicking executive authority” is legally incoherent.
• Nowhere in the Constitution is political discourse criminalized unless it incites violence—Utomi has never called for force or rebellion.

4. No Criminal Code Cited. No Treason Committed. No Violence Planned.
• This is a civil society initiative, not an armed movement.
• DSS is weaponizing “national security” as a political gag order—something the courts should vehemently reject.

malali:
1. Freedom of Association & Expression is Protected by the Constitution
• Section 39(1) of the 1999 Nigerian Constitution guarantees:
“Every person shall be entitled to freedom of expression, including freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart ideas and information without interference.”
• Section 40 further states:
“Every person shall be entitled to assemble freely and associate with other persons…”

freedom after the expression is not guaranteed
You're not free to form terror gang o

Utomi’s shadow cabinet is simply an expression of political opinion and policy alternative, not a coup or treason.
2. Shadow Governments Are Not Illegal—They’re Democratic Tools
• Common in Westminster-style democracies like the UK and Canada. They serve as a counterbalance to executive dominance.
• A shadow cabinet doesn’t exercise executive power—it critiques those who do.

This is not a westminster style democracy
Words matter

Criticism ≠ Coup. Ideas ≠ Insurrection.
3. DSS Overreach Undermines Democracy
• DSS alleging “mimicking executive authority” is legally incoherent.
• Nowhere in the Constitution is political discourse criminalized unless it incites violence—Utomi has never called for force or rebellion.

4. No Criminal Code Cited. No Treason Committed. No Violence Planned.
• This is a civil society initiative, not an armed movement.
• DSS is weaponizing “national security” as a political gag order—something the courts should vehemently reject.

TGITG
Let's see how it plays out

Putindbutt:

Were you living under a rock when he was announcing his cabinet?

..the parallel government was also announced and nobody or DSS at that time sued anyone that announcef it

Wow

ufotunang:
..the parallel government was also announced and nobody or DSS at that time sued anyone that announcef it

If you don't know something, just keep quiet than expose your ignorance.

MIKOLOWISKA:
they all civilians

..lies..

Tochi3:


..lies..

mention one military during democracy. One

franchasng:
I thought Ronu miscreants said Pat Utomi was working for Tinubu during 2023 Presidential election? Lies and propaganda can never go far before they get exposed



I heard Emilokan almost peed in his diapers the day Pat Utomi announced he was inaugurating a shadow government, some people's Jagaban



Pat give it to them hot hot sir

Pat is a very intelligent politician, he uses his brain not by killing and rigging

utomi understood DSS will come after him before he went on this silly idea

KingOfPeaceJoy:
For what?
Did he take any budget to any parallel Senate or their Ministers involved in government 's work ?

Chasing shadows all the time. I pissed on APC (All Prominent Criminals)
.

These afons are evil , so called progressives who GEJ gave all the freedom to practice democracy and no are after Nigerians

Putindbutt:

If you don't know something, just keep quiet than expose your ignorance.

.

What do you even know...you too are ignorant

MKO and Wifi - kpai, Bola Ige - Kpai, Funsho Williams - kpai...and the engineer of all these kpai dey bubble now... make una wait after 2027...una go see kpaimatics (Abacha style is back) Al Mustapha comes to mind.