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17year-old Refugee Girl Killed For Refusing To Marry A 55-year-old Man In Kenya (26992 Views)
ruffhandu: 2:07pm On Mar 27 |
dettolgel: Your opinion is on point and I share same, you are absolutely correct on all facets of your argument. It is actually based on your last sentence that I opine there should be a refinement of that which had existed. Also, I don't know how spiritual you are, but I have some deep knowledge and believe in the things of the spirit. In most cases, some religious beliefs have atrocious bends. To the worshippers' ignorance, they get infested with bad spirits that transcend generations sometimes, negatively affecting their physical lives. For me, I would rather people are allowed to choose a mode of worship, but there should be a collective rule guiding all which draws some boundaries and curtain certain excesses. Your assertion about forgiveness, to me, is not necessarily an obligation from man per say, but a commandment from the entity being worshipped. I feel the act cushions evil with good somehow, thus curtailing evil and putting an end to a potential spiral effect. For instance, if you are hurt, I feel you will feel relieved when you forgive the person who hurt you, and at the same time the person will be paid back by nature (whatever a man sows, same shall he reap). But if you don't, and perhaps go on a revenge trip, a third-party who doesn't know the genesis of the issue may view you differently, and perhaps take it upon himself to mete out revenge on you as though you were the original aggressor, and the chain continues. Life is more complex than we understand though! |
dettolgel: 2:31pm On Mar 27 |
ruffhandu: I totally agree with you (though not so much on spirituality) but your example portrays clearly the complexity of the relationship between forgiveness and the third party that by extension becomes a party to the case. Humam interaction is complex. Yes, forgiveness does a lot for the victim. One problem I forsee is people taking advantage of that privilege. Your point on having a rule that guides everyone at least will eliminate the loopholes of ass holes taking advantage of the fact that they will be forgiven. Well the victim should forgive for their own mental and spiritual health, but let the law take its course to deter others from inflicting unnecessary pain on peace loving people. |
Almunjid(m): 3:36pm On Mar 27 |
RightChannel:Child marriage is illegal, regardless of the age gap between the child bride and the groom. There is no excuse for marrying a minor in the 21st century. However, we can understand Muhammad's actions within the context of the 7th century, when practices such as slavery were considered acceptable. It is unfair to judge someone from the 7th century by 21st-century standards. Our focus should be on Peter Obi, who married a minor in the 21st century and failed to meet modern standards. He should be the subject of our discussion. What do you think? ![]() Shalom! |
ALISMILE(m): 3:40pm On Mar 27 |
Firebomber: The prophet Muhammadâs marriage Aisha was consummated when she reached age 9. In her later testimony and narration, she affirmed that she had attained puberty by that time. She had every right and opportunity to call off the marriage if she felt off the clock! Assessing historical standards of maturity using present day standards is inaccurate and uninformed. |
ALISMILE(m): 3:46pm On Mar 27 |
dettolgel:Whoever is responsible for forcing the girl into a marriage she doesnât want, whether subtly or overtly, will bear the responsibility of the sin! Simple |
jojothaiv(m): 7:33pm On Mar 27 |
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simpleseyi: 7:58pm On Mar 27 |
Veste: Now that you have said your parents are educated donkeys, who am I to say otherwise. Of course you know your parents more than I do, so now that you have said they are educated donkeys, definitely you cannot be wrong |
jaxxy(m): 9:54pm On Mar 27 |
Africa has refused to evolve for useless and backward traditions and practices even in the 21st century. ![]() |
ObaaOfYorubaLan: 6:19am On Mar 28 |
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Firebomber: 7:25am On Mar 28 |
ALISMILE: Your muhammad wrote a contract marriage with a six years old girl. Please how can a six years old girl give a consent to marriage, what did she even know about marriage đ A'ishah reported that the Prophet wrote the marriage contract with her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: âI have been informed that `A'ishah remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e., till his death).â (Al-Bukhari 7: 65) Can you show us where Aisha claim that she had her first period at the age of 9? |
RightChannel: 8:26am On Mar 28 |
Almunjid: You see where you miss it, you find it difficult to answer the questions but went further justifying what your Muhammad did as a right step! Peter Obi married his wife in March 1992 and the lady would be 18 in September in the same 1992, is she is mature enough to get married unlike Aishat that married Muhammad when she was 6yrs of age while he was 55. Don't compare Peter Obi with your Muhammad in child's marriage There is no slavery laws or constitution that says in 7th century, you can marry a preschooler like Aishat, so stop defending nonsense! |
Almunjid(m): 11:21am On Mar 28 |
RightChannel:Lol, your response is quite funny and intriguing; when I proposed focusing our discussion on Peter Obi, you disappeared for a while, only to return with his marriage date, ready to fervently defend him. ![]() In saner climes, child marriage remains an unjustifiable act, regardless of the age disparity between the child bride and the groom or whether the minor is few months away from reaching the age of consent. If you believe Peter Obi's action was acceptable, consider what would happen if you attempted to marry a 17-year-old minor who would turn 18 this September in a Western country. Undoubtedly, you would face severe legal repercussions. This demonstrates that, in societies with a strong sense of justice, there is no distinction between different levels of wrongdoing. I find it perplexing to witness your staunch criticism of Muhammad while simultaneously exonerating Peter Obi of his transgression. It is unfair to compare an "uneducated" man from the 7th century, when there were no explicit laws prohibiting slavery, child marriage, or the inheritance of one's mother as property, to an "educated" man from the 21st century, who should be held to modern standards. While we can understand Muhammad's adherence to the norms of his era, it is crucial to acknowledge that Peter Obi, as a learned individual, should be held able for failing to adhere to 21st-century laws. Instead of persistently defending Peter Obi, it is essential to be objective and brave enough to condemn any wrongdoing on his part. After all, he's not infallible, is he? Defending your favorite or beloved politicians when they are in the wrong is not loyalty but blind allegiance. Peace! |
ALISMILE(m): 11:32am On Mar 28 |
Firebomber:Assessing historical standards of maturity using present day standards is inaccurate and uninformed |
Firebomber: 12:53pm On Mar 28 |
ALISMILE: Oga stop blowing grammar here, show us where Aisha claim that she started doing her period at the age of 9 as you claim So you want to tell us that your gigolo fake prophet didn't follow islamic roles of marriage as he went and had a contract marriage with the family of a 6 years old girl. Seriously đ |
ALISMILE(m): 1:14pm On Mar 28 |
Firebomber:Bro, no one is forcing you to accept Islam If Islam doesnât sound suitable to you, there is no compulsion |
Firebomber: 2:24pm On Mar 28 |
ALISMILE: Did I look like I'm dumb enough to accept your islam? I'm asking you to provide proof for your claim, is that too hard for you? |
ALISMILE(m): 3:06pm On Mar 28 |
Firebomber:The proof you seek will not convince you otherwise as your bias toward Islam is sealed! What you seek is faults, not proof! Interestingly is the fact that since you canât find faults within the Islamic doctrines, you resort to attacking the Prophetâs personality to show he wasnât credible enough! We understand how you people think This narrative attacking the Prophetâs marriage to Aisha did not even exist until less than 200 years ago. Despite having many enemies who were determined to undermine his credibility, none ever criticized his marriage to Aishaâbecause it was historically accepted and uncontroversial at the time. |
Firebomber: 4:12pm On Mar 28 |
ALISMILE: Bla bla bla. Just save yourself the stress and show us where Aisha said that she started her period at the age of 9 as you claim. Everything about your islamic doctrine is faulty that's the reason why even your muhammad don't follow it while he was alive yet you are here crying, should I show you lots of the so called islamic doctrine that your muhammad don't follow? Who will dare to talk about the hypocrisy of your muhammad 200 years ago when they all know how barbarian his followers are. And the fact that they didn't talk about it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. So stop yabbing and show us proof of your claim. |
ALISMILE(m): 5:37pm On Mar 28 |
Firebomber:What a low IQ comment They attacked the prophet on numerous grounds, even physically to unalive him, never for once did they attack him on this issue |
SAMBARRY: 6:56pm On Mar 28 |
Almunjid:pedophile trying to justify their acts.dis the people that married teenagers and minors force themselves on the minors? Did they ? Na question I ask o |
RightChannel: 6:59pm On Mar 28 |
Almunjid: Are you expecting me to be on NL 24/7 when I'm not jobless like you? As at the year PO got married, her lady was 18yrs of age. Is it your pedophile messenger you want me to be defending? Almunjid: Your senators and fellow slaves in core North that love to marry under age girl are in a senseless societies right? In western countries, PO will never be criminalized or prosecuted for his act because as at the year, the lady was 18yrs of age. This is not a case of Muhammad 55 and Aishat 6yrs of age! Almunjid: Is it according to your ignorance Muhammad was an illiterate that was not well educated? Quran 25:5 Pickthall And they say: Fables of the men of old which he hath had written down so that they are dictated to him morn and evening. Quran 25:5 Shakir And they say: The stories of the ancients-- he has got them written-- so these are read out to him morning and evening. With all these, was Muhammad an illiterate? Which law gave Muhammad permission to married a child or 6yrs of age? Almunjid: PO never did anything wrong like Muhammad at 55 that married a child of 6yrs of age. You should condemn Muhammad with your fellow slaves that love to go for underage girls! |
Firebomber: 8:36pm On Mar 28 |
ALISMILE: You have resulted to insult đ just like that. So your prophet was attacked 200 years ago? What a shame đ Show you where he was attacked after his islam gain ground and brainwashed his followers to turn barbarian đ Oga stop quoting me unless you are ready to show us where aishat says that she started are period at the age of nine as you claim. |
ALISMILE(m): 9:50pm On Mar 28 |
Firebomber:I apologize if you feel insulted. It can be frustrating when bias interferes with intellectual reasoning, preventing a clear understanding of the discussion. For instance, you have once again misinterpreted my point by suggesting that the Prophet was attacked 200 years ago. That is not my argument. My argument is that the criticism of the Prophetâs marriage to Aisha only began less than 200 years ago. During the Prophetâs lifetime, he faced relentless opposition from those who sought to undermine his messageâboth physically and verbally. However, none of his opponents ever criticized his marriage to Aisha, because such marriages were common at the time due to the prevailing social norms. It was considered completely normal. In fact, up until about 200 years ago, marriages with similar age disparities were still widely accepted. Even several notable Christian figures, whom I can readily reference, married women of similar age differences. |
Almunjid(m): 10:53pm On Mar 28 |
RightChannel:I appreciate the time and effort you've put into writing your argument; however, it appears to be biased and inconsistent. Earlier, you mentioned that Peter Obi married his wife in March 1992, and she would turn 18 in September of the same year. Now you claim she was already 18 when they got married. You also stated that Peter wouldn't be prosecuted in a Western country because his wife turned 18 within the same year. Even if a girl is just a month away from turning 18, she is still a minor, and engaging in any sexual activity with her could lead to prosecution in jurisdictions with robust child protection laws in Western countries. Your bias prevents you from acknowledging the differences in societal norms between Muhammad's era and Peter Obi's. During Muhammad's time, there were no explicit prohibitions on practices like slavery and child marriage. If he had owned slaves, would you condemn him for partaking in an activity that was legal and common during his lifetime but has since become morally reprehensible? This wouldn't be a fair assessment. Regarding Muhammad's literacy, it is historically established that he could neither read nor write. This is confirmed in Surah Al Alaq 96:1-5 of the Qur'an. The verse from Quran 25:5 that you cited to argue for his literacy is taken out of context. This age conveys the assumptions of people around Prophet Muhammad about the source of his teachings. They assumed he had someone write down the stories of the ancients, which were then read to him. Even these speculations implicitly acknowledge his inability to write. I've attempted to point out the errors, bias, and inconsistencies in your argument. The primary obstacle to productive dialogue is your unwillingness to engage in open-minded discourse. When met with constructive criticism, you resort to hurling insults. Our conversation has reached a stalemate, I will refrain from further participation in this unproductive discussion. Should you become more receptive to alternative perspectives, I would be open to revisiting our exchange. Please do not take offense if I do not reply to your next comment. Thank you for your time nonetheless. Gracias! |
Almunjid(m): 11:34pm On Mar 28 |
SAMBARRY:I'm not trying to justify pedophilia; rather, I'm expressing my discomfort with our double standards and hypocrisy on this critical issue. Nigeria is grappling with hypocrisy, as exemplified by a recent tragedy in Edo State, where an apprentice killed his oga over a 17-year-old girl. Despite widespread online condemnation of pedophilia, the reality in southern Nigeria presents a different picture. Even in the south where Northerners are frequently accused of pedophilia, finding teenage virgins remains difficult. This dichotomy raises the question: who is truly responsible for the loss of virginity among these minors? ![]() It appears that some individuals engage in hypocritical behavior, publicly denouncing Islam and Prophet Muhammad for alleged associations with pedophilia, while secretly participating in similar acts themselves. This suggests that, at least for some, the act of marrying minors may be the only point of contention, as engaging in sexual activities with underage individuals seems to be more accepted in the south. The prevalence of teenage prostitution in southern Nigeria is cause for alarm. If everyone online claims to condemn pedophilia, who then are the ones exploiting these young girls? It seems there's a troubling dissonance between public criticism and private actions when addressing this serious issue. Peace! |
RightChannel: 3:02am On Mar 29 |
Almunjid: If you want to talk of when PO got married, will you talk about the year or month? As at 1992 how old was PO and his wife? As at when Muhammad married Aishat his great grand daughter to be, is it the year you will mention or the month? A case of PO is different from a case of Muhammad 55 and Aishat 6, stop defending nonsense! Almunjid: You don't know much about western laws, better face your sharia law and stop this nonsense. No western law will prosecute PO because as at the YEAR he got married, his wife was 18, again, as at the year not the month! Almunjid: You shouldn't have brought PO into your shameful norms and traditions in Islam. Is PO a prophet? As at the time Muhammad married underage girl, did you read it in history of anyone Muhammad emulated that did such? Bible condemned slavery, Muhammad changed the law of Moses to satisfied his sexual huge. He (Muhammad) said he got inspiration from his allah to commit crime and indecency. He snatched his adopted son's wife all because of sex and he wiped out anyone that condemned his devilish acts! Almunjid: Are you trying to show us the contradictions in Quran? The Quran chapter and verse I quoted earlier made us to understand Muhammad can read and write! Almunjid: Stop defending nonsense to you means an insult right? Will you allow your 6yrs old daughter to marry an old man of 55yrs of age? |
Lieutenant83: 10:51am On Mar 29 |
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frainc(m): 6:36am On Apr 01 |
RightChannel:Tell that to the one you look up to as your father. That's if you are not a product of a leaked condom. |
RightChannel: 4:15pm On Apr 01 |
frainc: I spit on your existence defending nonsense! You ought to have been thrown inside lagoon |
frainc(m): 1:54pm On Apr 03 |
RightChannel:Don't waste that spit because it won't be enough to lube your Mama's kpekus for your friends to use as usual. |
RightChannel: 10:55pm On Apr 03 |
frainc: Nothing remain for ya olosho mama, Dey don use am to cash out, sebi you notice that you are both living miserable lives! |
frainc(m): 12:03am On Apr 04 |
RightChannel:I thought your response will be hard. You are too weak for my punch. Before i go, don't forget to ask your mama for the name of her last brother who slept with her before you were conceived, that could be the father you have been searching for. Bye. |
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