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Before the foolish bright idea to Nato,
Ukraine owned all her minerals
Ukraine owned all her lands
Zero refugees
Historical infrastructure in place
Economy stable
Destination for employing IT professionals
Destination for those seeking cheaper education in Europe

Then it pursued a foolish agenda to NATO, knowing that Russia would not standby and watch

Then it began to fight a war
According to NYtimes, over half a million people dead
Many more now refugees in other nations
Many kids will grow up with no dad because of one foolish comedian
Economy now in shambles
Infrastructure destroyed
Ukraine is now a war torn country
No more tourist, no foreign students

Then Came Trump
He tells Zalensky straight up, no more war funding
As a matter of fact, you are already owing us, how do you intend to pay.
Trump has given him a piece of paper to sign, in that paper, US from a faraway continent will come and be taking their rear minerals. Just to put it in context, imagine the mineral resources in Zamfara, the government will sign it off to another country to just take it while you look the other way.
After disrespecting Trump at the white house, and Trump asked him to go and come backe when he is ready for peace.
I hear he has now written a letter saying he is now ready for the deal and ready to sign off his rare minerals. HOw more foolish can a human being be?

How is this better than just trying to live in peace with Russia.

At the end of the day, after losing all of this, he still will not be allowed into NATO.

Even if they allow him into NATO today, it will still be a foolish decision because of the high cost

A rapist invaded a house and started raping the children. A father decided to fight the rapist and some clowns are saying the father should not fight the rapist.

Nonsense and ingredients.

This is not what happened oga, stop comparing wrongly.

Even if we use this your analogy, do you know how many people have had to watch men carry guns do what you described above and they are helpless?

When people rob you at gun point why don't you fight the gun man?

MasterJayJay:
A rapist invaded a house and started raping the children. A father decided to fight the rapist and some clowns are saying the father should not fight the rapist.

Nonsense and ingredients.

MasterJayJay:
A rapist invaded a house and started raping the children. A father decided to fight the rapist and some clowns are saying the father should not fight the rapist.

Nonsense and ingredients.

You must be an Olodo who doesn’t read ….

America will never allow Russia mount a war base at their borders… why do you want Russia to accept NATO at their borders…

From ur rubbbbish ideology above … the father clearly invited the rapist into his home to rape his children because he has the backing of others who don’t even live in the same house with the idiot …. That same father decides to cry foul

Ukraine is just defending herself against Russia

Destruction of the country

9jatriot:
This is not what happened oga, stop comparing wrongly.

Even if we use this your analogy, do you know how many people have had to watch men carry guns do what you described above and they are helpless?

When people rob you at gun point why don't you fight the gun man?

You guys should desist from shaming victims.

Ukraine is a victim of Putin's wickedness.

If fulani herdsmen come to your land to take over, you will start insulting your governors for not protecting your region.

Okay, so what has she gained from the war?

The so called helper, the great USA has now told Zalensky that all those money he thought was aid was a loan, to pay back she now needs unhindered access to her mineral, my question is what has Zalensky gained?

As big as Europe is, they are careful how they deal with the US.

MasterJayJay:

You guys should desist from shaming victims.

Ukraine is a victim of Putin's wickedness.

If fulani herdsmen come to your land to take over, you will start insulting your governors for not protecting your region.

9jatriot:
Before the foolish bright idea to Nato,
Ukraine owned all her minerals
Ukraine owned all her lands
Zero refugees
Historical infrastructure in place
Economy stable
Destination for employing IT professionals
Destination for those seeking cheaper education in Europe

Then it pursued a foolish agenda to NATO, knowing that Russia would not standby and watch

Then it began to fight a war
According to NYtimes, over half a million people dead
Many more now refugees in other nations
Many kids will grow up with no dad because of one foolish comedian
Economy now in shambles
Infrastructure destroyed
Ukraine is now a war torn country
No more tourist, no foreign students

Then Came Trump
He tells Zalensky straight up, no more war funding
As a matter of fact, you are already owing us, how do you intend to pay.
Trump has given him a piece of paper to sign, in that paper, US from a faraway continent will come and be taking their rear minerals. Just to put it in context, imagine the mineral resources in Zamfara, the government will sign it off to another country to just take it while you look the other way.
After disrespecting Trump at the white house, and Trump asked him to go and come backe when he is ready for peace.
I hear he has now written a letter saying he is now ready for the deal and ready to sign off his rare minerals. HOw more foolish can a human being be?

How is this better than just trying to live in peace with Russia.

At the end of the day, after losing all of this, he still will not be allowed into NATO.

Even if they allow him into NATO today, it will still be a foolish decision because of the high cost

1. SO, I guess you ed Russia and the USA invading Afghanistan, and USA Invading Iraq, and Israel invading and bombing other countries.

Good to know, because the same excuses the Russians use to invade Ukraine, is the same excuse they used.

2. Anyway, Russia and Ukraine have good reasons for holding the position they hold. Read ukrainian and russian history, and you will understand how this war came about.

At the end, they have to meet and sign an agreement, that is certain.

But russia invading Ukraine is not right. No excuses. Just as other countries invading other countries is not right too.

No wahala, but what did Zalensky gain at the end of the day, that is what I want to know.

nairalanda1:


1. SO, I guess you ed Russia and the USA invading Afghanistan, and USA Invading Iraq, and Israel invading and bombing other countries.

Good to know, because the same excuses the Russians use to invade Ukraine, is the same excuse they used.

2. Anyway, Russia and Ukraine have good reasons for holding the position they hold. Read ukrainian and russian history, and you will understand how this war came about.

At the end, they have to meet and sign an agreement, that is certain.

But russia invading Ukraine is not right. No excuses. Just as other countries invading other countries is not right too.

What utter rot you're spewing! Ukraine was already in Russia's crosshairs long before NATO hip became a consideration. crimea in 2014? Putin have been trying to bully and destabilise his neighbours for years, and you've got the temerity to suggest Ukraine should just roll over and accept occupation?

Your statement is a jumbled mess. It's clear you're more interested in sounding clever than actually understanding why Ukraine is defending itself.

The fight is about survival, not some fake 'peace' through surrender. And as for your remarks about Zelensky, well, I think we can all agree that he's shown more backbone in one day than you've shown in your entire life.

Tell me, if Ukraine had “lived in peace” with Russia by accepting occupation, and annexation, would that truly be a “better” outcome? Or is the real “folly” in romanticizing the idea of peace through surrender, same peace that never existed for Crimea, Donbas.

MasterJayJay:
A rapist invaded a house and started raping the children. A father decided to fight the rapist and some clowns are saying the father should not fight the rapist.

Nonsense and ingredients.

It's a good analogy, but then again, Russia as a nation has over the centuries been repeatedly invaded, because it is in a way very large to defend.

So, russian leaders essentially use other countries next to them as buffers.

Ukraine has been used as a staging point for invasions of Russia, many times. Also Belarus too.

There is a reason why Russia may feel worried about Ukraine growing close to EU and NATO...especially since it has been invaded from the West many times. Hence the invasion.

Over the years, Russia has used its neighbours as a buffer against invasions, which is why they pay close attention to whoever is running the show in the neighborhood. A pro-russian president is ok, a neutral one fair enough, a president looking for eu and nato hip is a threat.

Then there is the Ukrainians and the Russians in ukraine matter too. Problem is that Ukraine has a large russian minority, and their rights have been eroded somewhat (language rights inclusive). Problem also, was that when Ukraine was under the russian yoke the same issues happened too.

Still, doesn't make Putin invading right, but at the end, Russia too needs strong borders.

Ukrain and Russia have had a tensed relationship for a long time, no one is denying that. USA and Cuba for example have had a tensed relationship for a long time too, but those ones apply wisdom in dealing with the US, they do not court Russia openly even though it would have been in their interest to do so.

Now, back to the question, I want to know after 3 years, what has Zalensky gained from not rolling over other than bragging rights.

Note he is not only about to roll over to Trump, he will willing have to bend over in the coming weeks since he has already written to Trump that he is now ready.

Botragelad:
What utter rot you're spewing! Ukraine was already in Russia's crosshairs long before NATO hip became a consideration. crimea in 2014? Putin have been trying to bully and destabilise his neighbours for years, and you've got the temerity to suggest Ukraine should just roll over and accept occupation?

Your statement is a jumbled mess. It's clear you're more interested in sounding clever than actually understanding why Ukraine is defending itself.

The fight is about survival, not some fake 'peace' through surrender. And as for your remarks about Zelensky, well, I think we can all agree that he's shown more backbone in one day than you've shown in your entire life.

Tell me, if Ukraine had “lived in peace” with Russia by accepting occupation, and annexation, would that truly be a “better” outcome? Or is the real “folly” in romanticizing the idea of peace through surrender, same peace that never existed for Crimea, Donbas.

9jatriot:
Okay, so what has she gained from the war?

The so called helper, the great USA has now told Zalensky that all those money he thought was aid was a loan, to pay back she now needs unhindered access to her mineral, my question is what has Zalensky gained?

As big as Europe is, they are careful how they deal with the US.

Trump is inside Putin's pocket.

Zelensky did what a brave father would have done.

You should be asking Putin what he has gained from killing people.

9jatriot:
No wahala, but what did Zalensky gain at the end of the day, that is what I want to know.

You can ask what the US gained from invading Vietnam and Afghanistan, and Russia from invading Afghanistan, and even this current war, and the answer is a massive loss of manpower, both in lives and in psychologic issues.

Don't back a side in this war, and don't blame Zelensky. Like all leaders, from the democratic to the dictatorial, once the country is invaded, they have to defend the country. He had no choice. Putin would have done the same if russia was invaded tomorrow, likewise any leader.

Keep in mind that Ukraine for centuries has been everyone's footstool. At one point the country was divided among three countries..Russia included, and even after 1918, it was divided between the poles and the russians, and it was not allowed to maintain the independence it had briefly then. That is why they are looking for NATO hip...the same way Poland did...they do not want to be invaded again by the Russians. Not because of any agenda as you think.

(That's why countries like North Korea stick with china and South Korea sticks with the US. Neither wants to be invaded. My brother is bigger than your brother indeed.).

, the problem many have with the russian invasion is that big countries always seem to invade other countries when they feel threatened.

LOL.... YOu think Trump really cares about Puttin in all of these negotiations? Russia will not even like US owning those minerals because USA will use that as an excuse to put CIA in Ukraine, close to Russia, so Trump is not under Putin's pocket even though he is trying to make it look like that.

Trump is taking advantage of free gift that he has been offered. Russia has gained more territories even though they have had losses.

The greatest loser in all of these is Ukrainian people who were unfortunate to have elected a comedian, Russia is the next big loser, and then Europe.

The biggest winner is USA.
No soldier lost, Russian;s strength has been estimated, now they now own free minerals from another country (which by the way is a form of occupation).

MasterJayJay:

Trump is inside Putin's pocket.

Zelensky did what a brave father would have done.

You should be asking Putin what he has gained from killing people.

Thundafireseun:



You must be an Olodo who doesn’t read ….

America will never allow Russia mount a war base at their borders… why do you want Russia to accept NATO at their borders…

From ur rubbbbish ideology above … the father clearly invited the rapist into his home to rape his children because he has the backing of others who don’t even live in the same house with the idiot …. That same father decides to cry foul

See the ignoramus that is calling me an olodo.

Do you know a country called Finland?
Do you know that Finland has a border with Russia?
Do you know that Finland ed NATO in 2023?

Why can't Russia invade Finland?

Dude, you have nothing upstairs.

Swerve!!

You sound like a reasonable guy. Let me tell you what I think Zalensky could have done.

With a little more tact, he could have used the head of everybody, Russia, Europe and the US. Since Europe and US have a thing against Russia, by threatening to NATO, he would get Russian's attention. When you have that ace up your sleeves, he could then have negotiated with Russia, long long before the invasion.

A simple threat that he wants to NATO today, tomorrow, He wants to discuss with Russia, will keep making it a bride of interest and would have had her way with everyone.

nairalanda1:


You can ask what the US gained from invading Vietnam and Afghanistan, and Russia from invading Afghanistan, and even this current war, and the answer is a massive loss of manpower, both in lives and in psychologic issues.

Don't back a side in this war, and don't blame Zelensky. Like all leaders, from the democratic to the dictatorial, once the country is invaded, they have to defend the country. He had no choice. Putin would have done the same if russia was invaded tomorrow, likewise any leader.

Keep in mind that Ukraine for centuries has been everyone's footstool. At one point the country was divided among three countries..Russia included, and even after 1918, it was divided between the poles and the russians, and it was not allowed to maintain the independence it had briefly then. That is why they are looking for NATO hip...the same way Poland did...they do not want to be invaded again by the Russians. Not because of any agenda as you think.

(That's why countries like North Korea stick with china and South Korea sticks with the US. Neither wants to be invaded. My brother is bigger than your brother indeed.).

, the problem many have with the russian invasion is that big countries always seem to invade other countries when they feel threatened.

MasterJayJay:

See the ignoramus that is calling me an olodo.

Do you know a country called Finland?
Do you know that Finland has a border with Russia?
Do you know that Finland ed NATO in 2023?

Why can't Russia invade Finland?

Dude, you have nothing upstairs.

Swerve!!

Well, the invasion of Ukraine was what drove Finland into NATO's arms.

Otherwise, before 2022, Finland had no intention of ing NATO at all.

9jatriot:
LOL.... YOu think Trump really cares about Puttin in all of these negotiations? Russia will not even like US owning those minerals because USA will use that as an excuse to put CIA in Ukraine, close to Russia, so Trump is not under Putin's pocket even though he is trying to make it look like that.

Trump is taking advantage of free gift that he has been offered. Russia has gained more territories even though they have had losses.

The greatest loser in all of these is Ukrainian people who were unfortunate to have elected a comedian, Russia is the next big loser, and then Europe.

The biggest winner is USA.
No soldier lost, Russian;s strength has been estimated, now they now own free minerals from another country (which by the way is a form of occupation).

If Fulani Herdsmen invade your land, you will call them winners.

2014 happened before 2019.

I am sure you have no idea that Russia took part of Ukraine known as Crimea in 2014 before Zelensky was elected in 2019.

Good question! It is always the fault of the victim. Try to be a good victim everytime and the world will be happy with you!

What does this bolded mean?

My question remains, what did he gain.

Did he stop the annexation of more Ukrainian land? Has he ed NATO now? Does he have a date to the NATO?

MasterJayJay:


If Fulani Herdsmen invade your land, you will call them winners.

2014 happened before 2019.

I am sure you have no idea that Russia took part of Ukraine known as Crimea in 2014 before Zelensky was elected in 2019.

nairalanda1:


Well, the invasion of Ukraine was what drove Finland into NATO's arms.

Otherwise, before 2022, Finland had no intention of ing NATO at all.

So why didn't Russia invade them like they did to Ukraine?

Can't you see that they used NATO as a lie to back their invasion of Ukraine?

Was Zelensky the president in 2014 when Putin annexed Crimea?

You guys just dey fall for Russia propaganda.

9jatriot:
You sound like a reasonable guy. Let me tell you what I think Zalensky could have done.

With a little more tact, he could have used the head of everybody, Russia, Europe and the US. Since Europe and US have a thing against Russia, by threatening to NATO, he would get Russian's attention. When you have that ace up your sleeves, he could then have negotiated with Russia, long long before the invasion.

A simple threat that he wants to NATO today, tomorrow, He wants to discuss with Russia, will keep making it a bride of interest and would have had her way with everyone.

The problem with Ukraine begins with the fact that Ukraine does not want to be anyone's footstool...which provides a lot of fertile ground for Ukrainian nationalism to grow...which was sometimes to the disadvantage of the russian minority there...which was one of the reasons for the 2014 invasion.

What we are seeing essentially is leftover business from Russia's imperial time.

Zelensky was not the cause of the problem, and he was not elected because of defence (he got in because the ukrainians were fed up with mainstream politicians)...he was handed a bad set of cards and had to do something with them.

Either way, Putin should not have invaded. Bad optics.

A better way would have been for Ukraine to have been run like Canada...large language rights for the russian minority, the russian territory run as an automonous region, (just like Canada does for its french minority)..since 1994. But that's with benefit of hindsight..the milk has been spilt since.

9jatriot:
What does this bolded mean?

My question remains, what did he gain.

Did he stop the annexation of more Ukrainian land? Has he ed NATO now? Does he have a date to the NATO?

You should read your questions ten times before posting them.

Putin invaded Ukraine but didn't invade Finland and Sweden.

It has nothing to do with NATO.

9jatriot:
Ukrain and Russia have had a tensed relationship for a long time, no one is denying that. USA and Cuba for example have had a tensed relationship for a long time too, but those ones apply wisdom in dealing with the US, they do not court Russia openly even though it would have been in their interest to do so.

Now, back to the question, I want to know after 3 years, what has Zalensky gained from not rolling over other than bragging rights.

Note he is not only about to roll over to Trump, he will willing have to bend over in the coming weeks since he has already written to Trump that he is now ready.

I expected a better answer.
Cuba survives miles from the U.S. Ukraine is bordering Russia while being invaded by thousand of troops. Isnt that a false equivalence ?
Cuba did court Russia (Soviet nukes in 1962). Ukraine isn’t “courting” NATO, it’s requesting for help to stop Russian missiles and invasion.
Should Ukraine emulate Cuba’s “wisdom” and host Chinese nukes? 🤷🏼

Well, since you asked what Zelensky has gained. Liberating some of Ukraine's land, sinking the Moskva, holding some part of Kursk territory,etc.
When’s the last time Cuba degraded a superpower’s military to the point of begging North Korea for ammo and soldiers? 😂😂

Trump’s “peace plan” ( I think abandon NATO, let Russia keep land) makes no sense. You can also ask Crimea how it's going. The 2014 “peace” brought mass arrests of tatars, russification camps, a militarized peninsula threatening the Black Sea.
Moldova wouldn't have fight to kick Russia out of Transnistria if surrendering was so wise.

I'm gonna ask you this, why did Putin the dictator invade after the Minsk agreements?”
Boy!

MasterJayJay:


So why didn't Russia invade them like they did to Ukraine?

Can't you see that they used NATO as a lie to back their invasion of Ukraine?

Was Zelensky the president in 2014 when Putin annexed Crimea?

You guys just dey fall for Russia propaganda.

Well, check my points above, and you will see I am not into any propaganda

Also, some history.

Finland was once a part of the Russian empire...then they got independent in 1918. In 1939, the USSR then invaded Finland, and lost...then the FInns ed up with Nazi to invade the USSR in 1941..

IN 1944, seeing the Nazis were losing, the Finns broke off their alliance with Nazi and signed a peace deal with the USSR...the cost of which was a large slice of the country.All the Finns there left and were replaced with Russian settlers.

And Finland has been neutral since.

Now, why hasn't russia invaded FInland?

DIfficult terrain, plus the experience of the 1939-40 war was not good for Russia.(being held off by a tiny country , in one instance one soldier held off thousands of russian troops, several snipers, and tanks sent to find him). It's the same reason why Nazi never invaded Swizterland.

Plus, FInland until 2023 , never ed Nato, remained neutral. Also finnish leaders over the decades spent a lot of time cultivating good relations with the Russian bear. And they were largely succesful.

Below: a picture from 1963. The then leader of the USSR Khruschev, with his successor Brezhnev (middle) and the then Finnish President Kekkonnen(second from right) hunting at a Soviet hunting lodge.

I should note that Kekkonen was the only world leader allowed this privilege. Brezhnev didn't even take Nixon hunting self in 1972!

9jatriot:
Ukrain and Russia have had a tensed relationship for a long time, no one is denying that. USA and Cuba for example have had a tensed relationship for a long time too, but those ones apply wisdom in dealing with the US, they do not court Russia openly even though it would have been in their interest to do so.

Now, back to the question, I want to know after 3 years, what has Zalensky gained from not rolling over other than bragging rights.

Note he is not only about to roll over to Trump, he will willing have to bend over in the coming weeks since he has already written to Trump that he is now ready.

The Cubans and the Russians have been pretty tight for decades. Russian milltary vessels were even there last year.

Same thing Europe and America gained when they subdued the bully hitler and collapse berlin wall putin is bloodsucking bully ,trump is his ally,the problem is putin once he is gone forever like Hitler peace comes back to europe

Putin will never ever invade another country again if Ukraine can put up this fierce fight.

I used to think this way until the chaos at the oval office.

My take is that, Ukraine has always been scared that sooner than later, Russia would invade them. If you get that picture, the whole ing NATO makes sense. It is for protection against Russian invasion.

Zelensky pushing to NATO was actually to prevent a coming invasion, which Putin quickened the plan to invade because he believes Ukraine ing NATO puts them out of reach.

I feel the whole mounting military bases to attack Russia is pure propaganda. The bases are to protect NATO member countries from the likes of Russia.

9jatriot:
Ukrain and Russia have had a tensed relationship for a long time, no one is denying that. USA and Cuba for example have had a tensed relationship for a long time too, but those ones apply wisdom in dealing with the US, they do not court Russia openly even though it would have been in their interest to do so.

Now, back to the question, I want to know after 3 years, what has Zalensky gained from not rolling over other than bragging rights.

Note he is not only about to roll over to Trump, he will willing have to bend over in the coming weeks since he has already written to Trump that he is now ready.

I think there is a media spin on the Zelensky saying he is ready for the deal. Even in the oval office that day, he clearly stated that he is ready for the deal. What he wanted are guarantees and also the release of Ukrainian prisoners. Which if Trump had allowed Zelensky speak, he would have expatiated on it.

Zelensky has things he wants to go with the deal. If Trump wants peace as he claims, he would negotiate better with Russia than resorting to arm-twisting Zelensky.