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TenQ:

The singular problem you have is that you won't THINK nor ASK yourself relevant QUESTIONS!

If it was TRUE that God created everything visible or in our physical realm at 13.8 billion years ago, do you think he would be a Physical Being subject to the laws of physics which wasn't even in existence 13.8 billion years ago?
Sorry, your eyes was not designed to see God!

It is actually not THINKING that got you into this mess of a conclusion.

if it was true that's all you have now

Mrfeel:


if it was true that's all you have now

With respect to the purpose of mans existence, this is sufficient

TenQ:

With respect to the purpose of mans existence, this is sufficient

So man's purpose of existence is to look up to an invisible God he doesn't know if he existed or not?

Mrfeel:

So man's purpose of existence is to look up to an invisible God he doesn't know if he existed or not?

No sir!
Mans purpose in Life is to Glorify God by
1. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
2. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth

This is the summary of the Purpose of existence of Man on earth!




What is the purpose of your own existence here on earth?

TenQ:

No sir!
Mans purpose in Life is to Glorify God by
1. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
2. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth

This is the summary of the Purpose of existence of Man on earth!




What is the purpose of your own existence here on earth?

Why will such a God so powerful,a God who created the universe with billions of planets a God without beginning and end , needs glory from humans with such a short lifespan on earth? What does he gain from it?

Mrfeel:

Why will such a God so powerful,a God who created the universe with billions of planets a God without beginning and end , needs glory from humans with such a short lifespan on earth? What does he gain from it?

The same reason you plant gardens of flowers round your house. Do you think you are incomplete without those flowers.

God doesn't NEED glory from us. Is it our duty to give Glory to Him by our deeds and choices!

Since you seem to have an Objection to Glorifying God; Which of these FOUR ways of Glorifying God listed here is bad in your opinion?
1. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
2. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth






The purpose of a Flower in your house is to beautiful the environment and possibly add fragrance to it
What is then the purpose of your own existence here on earth?

TenQ:

The same reason you plant gardens of flowers round your house. Do you think you are incomplete without those flowers.

God doesn't NEED glory from us. Is it our duty to give Glory to Him by our deeds and choices!

Since you seem to have an Objection to Glorifying God; Which of these FOUR ways of Glorifying God listed here is bad in your opinion?
1. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
2. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth






The purpose of a Flower in your house is to beautiful the environment and possibly add fragrance to it
What is then the purpose of your own existence here on earth?

So an invisible God wants us to be

Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth

Did he creat us with flaws ?

Mrfeel:


So an invisible God wants us to be

Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth

Did he creat us with flaws ?

We were created Perfect AND God gave us Freewill and Volition!

Do you think it is bad for you to have a Freewill and Volition?









Since you seem to have an Objection to Glorifying God; Which of these FOUR ways of Glorifying God listed here is bad in your opinion?


The purpose of a Flower in your house is to beautiful the environment and possibly add fragrance to it
What is then the purpose of your own existence here on earth?

Mrfeel:


So an invisible God wants us to be

Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth

Did he creat us with flaws ?

We were created Perfect AND God gave us Freewill and Volition!

Do you think it is bad for you to have a Freewill and Volition?









1. Since you seem to have an Objection to Glorifying God; Which of the FOUR ways of Glorifying God listed here is bad in your opinion?


2. The purpose of a Flower in your house is to beautiful the environment and possibly add fragrance to it
3. What is then the purpose of your own existence here on earth?

TenQ:

We were created Perfect AND God gave us Freewill and Volition!

Do you think it is bad for you to have a Freewill and Volition?











1. Since you seem to have an Objection to Glorifying God; Which of the FOUR ways of Glorifying God listed here is bad in your opinion?


2. The purpose of a Flower in your house is to beautiful the environment and possibly add fragrance to it
3. What is then the purpose of your own existence here on earth?

Why will God want us to live a certain way if he gave us the freewill to do whatever we want?

Mrfeel:

Why will God want us to live a certain way if he gave us the freewill to do whatever we want?

It was His CHOICE! A flower never decided it's purpose. It is the planter, who determines the purpose for the flowers

He could have made us like Robots or the Moon.
But He created us in His own Image to that we can live on both Earth and Heaven as His children.

The Earth is a place of Selection for those who by their Freewill will chose to Glorify God with their existence from the rest of creation.


Tell me,
Do you think it is okay for God to force you Mrfeel to be with Him for eternity when your choice is to deny Him in the less than 120years of your expected existence on earth?
Should God not respect your freewill?

TenQ:

It was His CHOICE! A flower never decided it's purpose. It is the planter, who determines the purpose for the flowers

He could have made us like Robots or the Moon.
But He created us in His own Image to that we can live on both Earth and Heaven as His children.

The Earth is a place of Selection for those who by their Freewill will chose to Glorify God with their existence from the rest of creation.


Tell me,
Do you think it is okay for God to force you Mrfeel to be with Him for eternity when your choice is to deny Him in the less than 120years of your expected existence on earth?
Should God not respect your freewill?

So he created good and evil? He later regreted that he created man ?

Mrfeel:

So he created good and evil? He later regreted that he created man ?

Is this your problem with God since you can't seem to answer a single question?

Everything in the Universe both Good and Evil consists within Him.

LOVE is the "seeming" weakness of God!
Only the one who is greatly Loved that can hurt deeply!
Man made a stupid choice that resulted in his corruption!

God Loved Humans enough to make them in His own image so that they could be His Sons and not like Goats.

Don't you think that having no presentable nor defendable IDEOLOGY is the hight of folly?
As you have conveniently avoided answering any question from me.


Again: Tell me,
Do you think it is okay for God to force you Mrfeel to be with Him for eternity when your choice is to deny Him in the less than 120years of your expected existence on earth?
Should God not respect your freewill?

TenQ:

Is this your problem with God since you can't seem to answer a single question?

Everything in the Universe both Good and Evil consists within Him.

LOVE is the "seeming" weakness of God!
Only the one who is greatly Loved that can hurt deeply!
Man made a stupid choice that resulted in his corruption!

God Loved Humans enough to make them in His own image so that they could be His Sons and not like Goats.

Don't you think that having no presentable nor defendable IDEOLOGY is the hight of folly?
As you have conveniently avoided answering any question from me.


Again: Tell me,
Do you think it is okay for God to force you Mrfeel to be with Him for eternity when your choice is to deny Him in the less than 120years of your expected existence on earth?
Should God not respect your freewill?

So you it God has weaknesses ?

God made man in his own imagine, who has seen God to confirm God made man in his image?

Man made a stupid choice, how can something perfectly made by God be stupid?

Why will God create a tree with evil and good in the first place?

Why will a perfect God that knows all , a God that is in the future present and past at the same time make stupid regrettable choices?


Why will God order the killing of men women and children?

Mrfeel:


So you it God has weaknesses ?

Yes! His LOVE for some of His creatures

Mrfeel:

God made man in his own imagine, who has seen God to confirm God made man in his image?

I can see how you display your gross ignorance of God.
Man created in God's image meaning:
Man was created as a Trinity. Able to exist and live both in the physical and spiritual realm.

Mrfeel:

Man made a stupid choice, how can something perfectly made by God be stupid?

Because the perfectly made being has a WILL and CHOICE or VOLITION of his own. He is NOT a dumb robot.
Just as you, an intelligent man came to a choice to reject God! Isn't that beautiful that you can do this?
The question is: Is this a wise choice?

Mrfeel:

Why will God create a tree with evil and good in the first place?

FREEWILL or VOLITION is an Illusion if ALTERNATIVES do not exist.

Have you ever thought of this philosophically before?

Mrfeel:

Why will a perfect God that knows all , a God that is in the future present and past at the same time make stupid regrettable choices?

Choose to be a little respectful in your conversation with me please. I haven't derigated anything that matters to you.

Because at the END of the Chaos, the true Children of God would be SEPARATED from the Goats from this earth. Those who in spite of their circumstances, CHOSE to LOVE and GLORIFY God with their Lives here on earth. By their choice, they are
1. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
2. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth

Mrfeel:

Why will God order the killing of men women and children?

Death isn't annihilation!

When a person lies, such goes back to God. Haven't you read that before?

So, if a manufacturer recalls a product ( for whatever the purpose), it that evil?

TenQ:

Yes! His LOVE for some of His creatures



I can see how you display your gross ignorance of God.
Man created in God's image meaning:
Man was created as a Trinity. Able to exist and live both in the physical and spiritual realm.


Because the perfectly made being has a WILL and CHOICE or VOLITION of his own. He is NOT a dumb robot.
Just as you, an intelligent man came to a choice to reject God! Isn't that beautiful that you can do this?
The question is: Is this a wise choice?



FREEWILL or VOLITION is an Illusion if ALTERNATIVES do not exist.

Have you ever thought of this philosophically before?

Choose to be a little respectful in your conversation with me please. I haven't derigated anything that matters to you.

Because at the END of the Chaos, the true Children of God would be SEPARATED from the Goats from this earth. Those who in spite of their circumstances, CHOSE to LOVE and GLORIFY God with their Lives here on earth. By their choice, they are
1. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
2. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
3. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
4. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth



Death isn't annihilation!

When a person lies, such goes back to God. Haven't you read that before?

So, if a manufacturer recalls a product ( for whatever the purpose), it that evil?

You are confusing me

So God created evil as an alternative? God is part evil and good as an alternative?


So man is Trinity Father son and the holyspirit?

So God ordered the killing of men women and children to be killed as bad products? Then he will throw them in burning fire for them to suffer forever? Is that a loving God?


How do you know the God of your religion is the only one and true God when thousands of other religions and cultures talk about different Gods ?


Who is Satan to God? A friend? Brother? A God rival? Why was God boasting to Satan about job and even giving Satan go ahead to harm job just to proof a point to Satan why was there a need for God to do that?


Who is Jesus? Begotten son of God? Why was he sent to die as a sacrifice for men? Who was Jesus sacrificed to? Satan ? To free men from Satan?

Mrfeel:


You are confusing me

So God created evil as an alternative? God is part evil and good as an alternative?

According to you: What is EVIL?

Good means perfect and of use to God!
Evil means imperfect and useless to God!

Mrfeel:

So man is Trinity Father son and the holyspirit?

Man is a Body
Man is a Soul
Man is a Spirit

Mrfeel:

So God ordered the killing of men women and children to be killed as bad products? Then he will throw them in burning fire for them to suffer forever? Is that a loving God?

Who told you this?
Again, physical death is not annihilation. Physical death is a translocation from the physical realm to the spirit realm!

I wish you can quote it where children gone into the refuse bin (Hell) of God.

I am sure you will agree that according to the definition of Evil, It is understandable if God treat you Mrfeel as EVIL because you are useless to Him as an adult (you know exactly what you are doing).

I asked you a question:
Should God force you to live with him for eternity when you have clearly rejected Him here on earth?

Mrfeel:

How do you know the God of your religion is the only one and true God when thousands of other religions and cultures talk about different Gods ?

By asking ALL the Questions you chose not to ask and answering them.
When you choose not to know, you are beyond help!

Mrfeel:

Who is Satan to God? A friend? Brother? A God rival? Why was God boasting to Satan about job and even giving Satan go ahead to harm job just to proof a point to Satan why was there a need for God to do that?

Satan was a fallen angel or Messanger of God. Satan is also a system representing the rogue errand boy that is creating conditions for the examining of the children of God.

He is not a rival in any way.
People assume he is the one causing havoc here on earth.

Satan's purpose is to give you reasons why you should; CHOOSE to take away your dependence from God and be in control of the definition of good and evil. Knowing that one's you take away your dependence from God, you automatically give him access to your life

Satan operates by either giving you a Trial or furnishing you with temptations: either way, that you may be influenced to make a stupid choice!

Mrfeel:

Who is Jesus? Begotten son of God? Why was he sent to die as a sacrifice for men? Who was Jesus sacrificed to? Satan ? To free men from Satan?

Jesus is God, the WORD who became human that He might be able to represent us as humans.

Why Jesus had to die:
First, you need to understand that
Death is not annihilation! Death means being DISCONNECTED! There are three kinds of death a person can experience
1. Biological or Physical Death:
The Union of your Soul and Spirit is disconnected from your Body
2. Spiritual Death:
Your Spirit is disconnected from God's spirit. Thus, you are not much different from any animal!
3. Second Death:
The Union of a person's Body, Soul and Spirit is eternally Disconnected from God and dumped in the dust bin of God called the lake of fire.

According to the Scripture (as there are Physical Laws, there are Spiritual Laws),
1. Every Sinner will experience a Spiritual Death and if there is no intervention the second death
This is because
DEATH is the wages of Sin against God!
2. God MUST punish Sin!

Because, God loves the world, He made a SOLUTION whereby Sin may still be punished that the repentant sinner may go free.

Jesus died our Spiritual and Second death for us as He became the Ransom and Scapegoat for ANYONE who put their faith in Him. In other words, Jesus PAID the fine for our Offence of Sin.

This is the purpose of Jesus sacrifice:
The price of my Sin is to spend eternity in the Outer Darkness: and of course, I cannot pay such a heavy penalty. Because I have Faith in God's solution and choose to Glorify God with my Life, my debt is written off and I can go free as if I wasn't guilty in the first place.

This above is the Gospel my Friend
1. All humans are sinners by nature
2. The wages of Sin is Spiritual and the Eternal Second Death
3. But God Loves us that He PAID the Fine for whoever will come for it through Jesus dying a spiritual death on our behalf
4. To those who Believe in God's SOLUTION and choose to Live a Life Glorifying God, they become
a. Sons of God
b. Their names are written in the of Heaven (Book of Life)
c. They are given the five duties of
i. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
ii. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
iii. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
iv. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth
v. Overcoming Trials and Temptations

d. At the end of our time here on earth, the Redeemed are given further assignments as sons of God based on their faithfulness to their assigned duty

TenQ:

According to you: What is EVIL?

Good means perfect and of use to God!
Evil means imperfect and useless to God!



Man is a Body
Man is a Soul
Man is a Spirit


Who told you this?
Again, physical death is not annihilation. Physical death is a translocation from the physical realm to the spirit realm!

I wish you can quote it where children gone into the refuse bin (Hell) of God.

I am sure you will agree that according to the definition of Evil, It is understandable if God treat you Mrfeel as EVIL because you are useless to Him as an adult (you know exactly what you are doing).

I asked you a question:
Should God force you to live with him for eternity when you have clearly rejected Him here on earth?




By asking ALL the Questions you chose not to ask and answering them.
When you choose not to know, you are beyond help!





Satan was a fallen angel or Messanger of God. Satan is also a system representing the rogue errand boy that is creating conditions for the examining of the children of God.

He is not a rival in any way.
People assume he is the one causing havoc here on earth.

Satan's purpose is to give you reasons why you should; CHOOSE to take away your dependence from God and be in control of the definition of good and evil. Knowing that one's you take away your dependence from God, you automatically give him access to your life

Satan operates by either giving you a Trial or furnishing you with temptations: either way, that you may be influenced to make a stupid choice!


Jesus is God, the WORD who became human that He might be able to represent us as humans.

Why Jesus had to die:
First, you need to understand that
Death is not annihilation! Death means being DISCONNECTED! There are three kinds of death a person can experience
1. Biological or Physical Death:
The Union of your Soul and Spirit is disconnected from your Body
2. Spiritual Death:
Your Spirit is disconnected from God's spirit. Thus, you are not much different from any animal!
3. Second Death:
The Union of a person's Body, Soul and Spirit is eternally Disconnected from God and dumped in the dust bin of God called the lake of fire.

According to the Scripture (as there are Physical Laws, there are Spiritual Laws),
1. Every Sinner will experience a Spiritual Death [/b]and if there is no intervention the [b]second death
This is because
DEATH is the wages of Sin against God!
2. God MUST punish Sin!

Because, God loves the world, He made a SOLUTION whereby Sin may still be punished that the repentant sinner may go free.

Jesus died our Spiritual and Second death for us as He became the Ransom and Scapegoat for ANYONE who put their faith in Him. In other words, Jesus PAID the fine for our Offence of Sin.

This is the purpose of Jesus sacrifice:
The price of my Sin is to spend eternity in the Outer Darkness: and of course, I cannot pay such a heavy penalty. Because I have Faith in God's solution and choose to Glorify God with my Life, my debt is written off and I can go free as if I wasn't guilty in the first place.

This above is the Gospel my Friend
1. All humans are sinners by nature
2. The wages of Sin is Spiritual and the Eternal Second Death
3. But God Loves us that He PAID the Fine for whoever will come for it through Jesus dying a spiritual death on our behalf
4. To those who Believe in God's SOLUTION and choose to Live a Life Glorifying God, they become
a. Sons of God
b. Their names are written in the of Heaven (Book of Life)
c. They are given the five duties of
i. Living a Life of Love to God and Love to Man
ii. Living a Life of Purity to God and Man
iii. Living a Life of Service to God and Man
iv. Living a Life to Multiply Godly people on Earth
v. Overcoming Trials and Temptations

d. At the end of our time here on earth, the Redeemed are given further assignments as sons of God based on their faithfulness to their assigned duty

If good means perfect, evil means imperfect,why did God make things perfect and other things imperfect, why not just make all things perfect for his own glory ?


If all humans are sinners by nature then children are sinner's too

Jesus paid for our offence sin ,paid to who exactly,? Who was Jesus sacrificed to, God became flesh to sacrifice himself to himself?


Satan can not just be a fallen angel or messager for God to boast to him about a human like he is boasting to a rival


The bible and everything written it is just a religion or culture of a particular group of people which became popular than other religions and cultures, there are thousands of religion and traditions out there, with different types of views , you yourself are part of this religion cause a white man brought it here

Mrfeel:

If good means perfect, evil means imperfect,why did God make things perfect and other things imperfect, why not just make all things perfect for his own glory ?

Check your Bible. Everything was created perfect and all was good until SIN came in.

Mrfeel:

If all humans are sinners by nature then children are sinner's too

But as long as children have not yet committed sin, how can they be guilty?

Mrfeel:

Jesus paid for our offence sin ,paid to who exactly,? Who was Jesus sacrificed to, God became flesh to sacrifice himself to himself?

Meaning of Jesus paying for our sins:
Jesus took upon Himself our Fine or the Punishment that should come to us.

Jesus Himself is the Ransom for our Punishment.
This is why the chastisement of our Peace was upon Him.

The perfect WORD became Human that as a Human Being, He could represent us Humans and be the Ransom for those who Trust in Him.
Before Jesus, the Jews would sacrifice a Lamb or a Goat for the sin of Israel's people!

Mrfeel:

Satan can not just be a fallen angel or messager for God to boast to him about a human like he is boasting to a rival

It's your opinion!

Mrfeel:

The bible and everything written it is just a religion or culture of a particular group of people which became popular than other religions and cultures, there are thousands of religion and traditions out there, with different types of views , you yourself are part of this religion cause a white man brought it here

This is your opinion and you are entitled to it

I asked you a question:
Is it right for God to force you to live with him for eternity when you have clearly rejected Him here on earth?

When you choose not to ask yourself questions, then you choose not to know
When you choose not to know, you are beyond help!

TenQ:

Check your Bible. Everything was created perfect and all was good until SIN came in.



But as long as children have not yet committed sin, how can they be guilty?


Meaning of Jesus paying for our sins:
Jesus took upon Himself our Fine or the Punishment that should come to us.

Jesus Himself is the Ransom for our Punishment.
This is why the chastisement of our Peace was upon Him.

The perfect WORD became Human that as a Human Being, He could represent us Humans and be the Ransom for those who Trust in Him.
Before Jesus, the Jews would sacrifice a Lamb or a Goat for the sin of Israel's people!


It's your opinion!




This is your opinion and you are entitled to it

I asked you a question:
Is it right for God to force you to live with him for eternity when you have clearly rejected Him here on earth?

When you choose not to ask yourself questions, then you choose not to know
When you choose not to know, you are beyond help!

For a perfect thing to become imperfect means that perfect thing wasn't perfect afterall

If children who haven't committed sin cannot be guilty why are we guilty by nature ,? And why did the bible say God punishes people for the sins of their parents even to 3th and 4th generation


So God took upon himself the nature of human to inherit the sins of humans to sacrifice himself to himself that he might forgive humans? How can a loving God be that unforgiving

If it's not right for God to force me to live with him for eternity, why will he force me into hell fire for eternity?


I don't believe there is such a God like the one described in the bible, if I should believe anything of that nature I will say there are billions or even trillions of such beings out there and the one you know as the creator is just one of them, Satan is one of them and billion or trillions of others,

Mrfeel:


For a perfect thing to become imperfect means that perfect thing wasn't perfect afterall

So, if you bought a brand new car and on your first day of driving it , you had a terrible accident and the windscreen broke and the headlights shattered, does it means you bought a defective car!?

Mrfeel:

If children who haven't committed sin cannot be guilty why are we guilty by nature ,? And why did the bible say God punishes people for the sins of their parents even to 3th and 4th generation

God wasn't speaking about children, was He!?
And God wasn't addressing children!
And even then, this rule was later abolished!

You should have read about it, haven't you?

Mrfeel:

So God took upon himself the nature of human to inherit the sins of humans to sacrifice himself to himself that he might forgive humans? How can a loving God be that unforgiving

I don't blame you for not understanding that SIN is that which violates the INTEGRITY of God.

Let me explain:
By Rule, Gods command must be executed without fail. What God wills and commands is what happens.
In His wisdom, God created Beings with Volition or Freewill able to choose whatever they want: either to be aligned with God or not!
So that God's sovereignty would not be trampled upon, God created the consequence for such violation: Spiritual DEATH and Second DEATH

Thus, God cannot overlook SIN: it must be punished with DEATH!

Only through LOVE did God make a way for man!
The Infinite God paying the infinite price of sin for everyone who would put their trust in Him

So that even though SIN was committed, BUT the REPERCUSSION has also been served and EXECUTED , so that the sinner can be called FREE

Mrfeel:

If it's not right for God to force me to live with him for eternity, why will he force me into hell fire for eternity?

Very Good!
Even at judgement, you will know that you made your Choice and God is Righteous in Judgement!

Mrfeel:

I don't believe there is such a God like the one described in the bible, if I should believe anything of that nature I will say there are billions or even trillions of such beings out there and the one you know as the creator is just one of them, Satan is one of them and billion or trillions of others,

No problem! There are millions on Nigerians, but only ONE is the President. This argument is lame at best. This is why you must ask yourself the Question: "Which is TRUE?"

So, which God fits your intellect?
Is it the God of SELF?


Every human being submits to a God!
There is no vacuum in spirituality

franchasng:
Trump you are very wrong with this one


Though I know you are trying to massage the ego of that Russian dictator to get him to end the senseless war he started.


But don't be too sure that it would end the war because Europe is rallying behind Ukraine now and may reject any unfavorable peace deal to Ukraine, which will escalate the war and may even get things messy cos most European leaders are angry with you Trump and Putin and may damn the consequences and back Ukraine fully which would turn the tides against Russia and Putin.


Let's watch and see

So how would you bring the war to an end?

TenQ:

So, if you bought a brand new car and on your first day of driving it , you had a terrible accident and the windscreen broke and the headlights shattered, does it means you bought a defective car!?



God wasn't speaking about children, was He!?
And God wasn't addressing children!
And even then, this rule was later abolished!

You should have read about it, haven't you?



I don't blame you for not understanding that SIN is that which violates the INTEGRITY of God.

Let me explain:
By Rule, Gods command must be executed without fail. What God wills and commands is what happens.
In His wisdom, God created Beings with Volition or Freewill able to choose whatever they want: either to be aligned with God or not!
So that God's sovereignty would not be trampled upon, God created the consequence for such violation: Spiritual DEATH and Second DEATH

Thus, God cannot overlook SIN: it must be punished with DEATH!

Only through LOVE did God make a way for man!
The Infinite God paying the infinite price of sin for everyone who would put their trust in Him

So that even though SIN was committed, BUT the REPERCUSSION has also been served and EXECUTED , so that the sinner can be called FREE



Very Good!
Even at judgement, you will know that you made your Choice and God is Righteous in Judgement!


No problem! There are millions on Nigerians, but only ONE is the President. This argument is lame at best. This is why you must ask yourself the Question: "Which is TRUE?"

So, which God fits your intellect?
Is it the God of SELF?


Every human being submits to a God!
There is no vacuum in spirituality

You can't compare a God perfection to a human perfection, a God who you claim knows all , all powerful alpha and Omega beginning and the end, future present past all knowing, his perfect should be perfect, for his perfect to have accident it means it wasn't perfect afterall


How can you say God wasn't speaking to children when your Bible says we are sinners by nature from birth ? Everyone through childhood

Rules was abolished by Christianity or by Judaism?

I still ask , who was Jesus (God) paying the price to? If there is no other God but one God who created everything and owns everything, why should God become human to sacrifice himself to himself, and pay to himself a price to himself to free man ? And why did God practice human sacrifice by sacrificing his human self to himself when he forbid Israelites from practicing human sacrifice like the Canaanites? Looks like God broke his own laws right?



You and nobody has experienced this judgment day ,all these are just man made religious concept to keep their subjects under constant fear of the unknown so they can keep to the norms values and taboos of a sociaty or tradition



There are millions of Nigerians one is the president not a God or a creator of other Nigerians the president is just like every other Nigerian not a supreme being , your comparison is pretty lame

Mrfeel:


You can't compare a God perfection to a human perfection, a God who you claim knows all , all powerful alpha and Omega beginning and the end, future present past all knowing, his perfect should be perfect, for his perfect to have accident it means it wasn't perfect afterall

Those are consequences of FREEWILL or VOLITION.
Do you think Humans (as Gods) creation have Freewill?
What does it mean?

Mrfeel:

How can you say God wasn't speaking to children when your Bible says we are sinners by nature from birth ? Everyone through childhood

It is true that, Sinners by nature we are because this was what we inherited from Adam.
But,
Even if I was a Convicted Kleptomaniac by nature and I didn't steal ANYTHING in your Supermarket, can you accuse me of stealing from you?

If a Baby grows up to be an adult, he would most likely commit sin BUT as long as it hasn't committed SIN, it is not guilty of It.

What did Jesus say with respect to Children and the Kingdom of Heaven?

Mrfeel:

Rules was abolished by Christianity or by Judaism?

Ezek 18:19-23:
"Yet say you, Why? does not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son has done that which is lawful and right, and has kept all my statutes, and has done them, he shall surely live. The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he has committed, they shall not be mentioned to him: in his righteousness that he has done he shall live. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? said the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"



Ezek 18:1-4:
"The word of the LORD came to me again, saying, What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, said the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die."

Mrfeel:

I still ask , who was Jesus (God) paying the price to? If there is no other God but one God who created everything and owns everything, why should God became human to sacrifice himself to himself, and pay to himself a price to himself to free man ?

I think In have taken time to explain it.

The phrase is NOT like in Money where someone received what was paid. And I have described it it of Justice served. Scapegoat. Ransom. Exchange.

I should suffer Spiritual and Eternal DEATH, but Jesus Christ Died my Death. This is why we say that He PAID our Debt.

Mrfeel:

You and nobody has experienced this judgment day ,all these are just man made religious concept to keep their subjects under constant fear of the unknown so they can keep to the norms values and taboos of a sociaty or tradition

Your opinion!
And you have the VOLITION to think so!

Mrfeel:

There are millions of Nigerians one is the president not a God or a creator of other Nigerians the president is just like every other Nigerian not a supreme being

If there are claims of existence of millions of Gods: Is that a definitive proof that God does NOT Exist?

I want to learn from you!

TenQ:

Those are consequences of FREEWILL or VOLITION.
Do you think Humans (as Gods) creation have Freewill?
What does it mean?


It is true that, Sinners by nature we are because this was what we inherited from Adam.
But,
Even if I was a Convicted Kleptomaniac by nature and I didn't steal ANYTHING in your Supermarket, can you accuse me of stealing from you?

If a Baby grows up to be an adult, he would most likely commit sin BUT as long as it hasn't committed SIN, it is not guilty of It.

What did Jesus say with respect to Children and the Kingdom of Heaven?


Ezek 18:19-23:
"Yet say you, Why? does not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son has done that which is lawful and right, and has kept all my statutes, and has done them, he shall surely live. The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. All his transgressions that he has committed, they shall not be mentioned to him: in his righteousness that he has done he shall live. Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? said the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"



Ezek 18:1-4:
"The word of the LORD came to me again, saying, What mean you, that you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? As I live, said the Lord GOD, you shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die."


I think In have taken time to explain it.

The phrase is NOT like in Money where someone received what was paid. And I have described it it of Justice served. Scapegoat. Ransom. Exchange.

I should suffer Spiritual and Eternal DEATH, but Jesus Christ Died my Death. This is why we say that He PAID our Debt.


Your opinion!
And you have the VOLITION to think so!


If there are claims of existence of millions of Gods: Is that a definitive proof that God does NOT Exist?

I want to learn from you!

It means God didn't create perfect humans


How can you convict someone of a crime by nature, why will a loving God do that?
There is no need for me to be born a sinner in the first place if I'm not to be held responsible for the sins of my parents, so why is a perfect God going back and forth establishing and abolishing he can't make up his mind on something? He makes mistakes afterall



I ask again paid debt to who , God become human sacrifice himself to himself to pay a debt for humans to himself, through human sacrifice breaking his own laws ?



I said if I'm to agree on existence of God I won't believe the description of the one and only God in the bible I will say there are billions or trillions of them and none of them is as powerful as described in the bible

Mrfeel:

It means God didn't create perfect humans

Your opinion which is rightfully yours to make by your FREEWILL

Mrfeel:

How can you convict someone of a crime by nature, why will a loving God do that?
There is no need for me to be born a sinner in the first place if I'm not to be held responsible for the sins of my parents, so why is a perfect God going back and forth establishing and abolishing he can't make up his mind on something? He makes mistakes afterall

Even after showing you that a person is only Guilty AFTER the Offence, and this is your conclusion you have arrived at!?
it is still your CHOICE of opinion to make by your FREEWILL (even after a rational discourse)

Should a confirmed Kleptomaniac be punished for a theft he did not commit?
This seems to be your argument!

Mrfeel:

I ask again paid debt to who , God become human sacrifice himself to himself to pay a debt for humans to himself, through human sacrifice breaking his own laws ?

Since my explanations seem not to have sank in, perhaps I should ask you a hypothetical question.

A Class Rep (for one reason or another) was punished for the unruly behaviour of his class: to whom did he pay this debt. To the principal, to the students or to himself!

I am waiting!

Mrfeel:

I said if I'm to agree on existence of God I won't believe the description of the one and only God in the bible I will say there are billions or trillions of them and none of them is as powerful as described in the bible

It seems that your problem with the God of the Bible is His ABSOLUTE nature.

Tell me,
Let's assume you were to believe in a God, what kind of God would you have believed in?

TenQ:

Your opinion which is rightfully yours to make by your FREEWILL



Even after showing you that a person is only Guilty AFTER the Offence, and this is your conclusion you have arrived at!?
it is still your CHOICE of opinion to make by your FREEWILL (even after a rational discourse)

Should a confirmed Kleptomaniac be punished for a theft he did not commit?
This seems to be your argument!


Since my explanations seem not to have sank in, perhaps I should ask you a hypothetical question.

A Class Rep (for one reason or another) was punished for the unruly behaviour of his class: to whom did he pay this debt. To the principal, to the students or to himself!

I am waiting!


It seems that your problem with the God of the Bible is His ABSOLUTE nature.

Tell me,
Let's assume you were to believe in a God, what kind of God would you have believed in?

Adams sin should have ended with him ,why it on to his offspring to be born with his sins? If that's the case

This question doesn't make sense, was Jesus who is God himself been punished for not doing his duty in maintaining law and order amongst humans? If Jesus is God himself then who is the principal in this story ? Or is there another God besides God, cause the bible claims there is only one God?



Many years ago I watched an experiment done on kids, can't the title
Kids were brought into a hall with hidden cameras , now to make it to the end of this hall each kid had to through alot of obstacles placed in the middle of the hall to get to the end ,no cheating they were all instructed , they were all taken out of the hall , each kid entered alone to carry out the task given, in there alone almost all the kids cheated to get the end, majority just walked ed the obstacles without even trying
Part 2 of the experiment, this time around a chair was brought in, in that chair the kids were told, there is an invisible man watching what each kid will be doing, anyone that cheat will be punished by the invisible man sitting in the chair, this time around almost all the kids went through the obstacles to get to the end, only one or two who doubted the possibility of an invisible man in the chair cheated to get the end
From the above experiment is the whole concept behind religion , culture traditions, nothing more ,it's all about working on the human fears of the unknown , and hopes of the unknown

Mrfeel:

Adams sin should have ended with him ,why it on to his offspring to be born with his sins? If that's the case

Is it a biological law to down both genetic traits, strengths and mutations down to the children?

If, I exposed myself to Nuclear Radiations because I intended to steal a nuclear fission core for sale. Could I the consequence of my genetic mutation down to my children?

Same thing Bro!
Just as there are Biological Mutations, there are Spiritual Mutations

Mrfeel:

This question doesn't make sense, was Jesus who is God himself been punished for not doing his duty in maintaining law and order amongst humans? If Jesus is God himself then who is the principal in this story ? Or is there another God besides God, cause the bible claims there is only one God?

Your view: as I didn't tell you any reason for the offence nor punishment of the class captain. It could even be that the Class captain chose to take responsibility for the offence of the class based on love.

Would you rather the Class be heavily punished if you are a member or that your class captain at his own will chose to take the punishment on your behalf?
Would you rather Every Human being spend Eternity in the Outer Darkness because they Violated God's Ultimate Rule?

Take your PICK sir!

Mrfeel:

Many years ago I watched an experiment done on kids, can't the title
Kids were brought into a hall with hidden cameras , now to make it to the end of this hall each kid had to through alot of obstacles placed in the middle of the hall to get to the end ,no cheating they were all instructed , they were all taken out of the hall , each kid entered alone to carry out the task given, in there alone almost all the kids cheated to get the end, majority just walked ed the obstacles without even trying
Part 2 of the experiment, this time around a chair was brought in, in that chair the kids were told, there is an invisible man watching what each kid will be doing, anyone that cheat will be punished by the invisible man sitting in the chair, this time around almost all the kids went through the obstacles to get to the end, only one or two who doubted the possibility of an invisible man in the chair cheated to get the end
From the above experiment is the whole concept behind religion , culture traditions, nothing more ,it's all about working on the human fears of the unknown , and hopes of the unknown

Actually, this your experiment shows that Even Children would break RULES because each one is SELFISH at core.

You have shown that Children do not need to be TAUGHT how to CHEAT, it is in their Blood! LOL!!

Now, you forget that SOMEONE of Authority told them that He has an INVISIBLE sentry that is monitoring them. And then they behaved in an ethical manner!
In this sense, this SOMEONE is God, through the Agency of His Prophets through the Ages down to Us. They remind us of
1. The Purpose of our Existence
2. The Danger of deviating from our Purpose.
3. Instructions for living a new life


Do you have any Evidence for the non-existence of God (as God is NOT a Physical Being)?

TenQ:

Is it a biological law to down both genetic traits, strengths and mutations down to the children?

If, I exposed myself to Nuclear Radiations because I intended to steal a nuclear fission core for sale. Could I the consequence of my genetic mutation down to my children?

Same thing Bro!
Just as there are Biological Mutations, there are Spiritual Mutations


Your view: as I didn't tell you any reason for the offence nor punishment of the class captain. It could even be that the Class captain chose to take responsibility for the offence of the class based on love.

Would you rather the Class be heavily punished if you are a member or that your class captain at his own will chose to take the punishment on your behalf?
Would you rather Every Human being spend Eternity in the Outer Darkness because they Violated God's Ultimate Rule?

Take your PICK sir!


Actually, this your experiment shows that Even Children would break RULES because each one is SELFISH at core.

You have shown that Children do not need to be TAUGHT how to CHEAT, it is in their Blood! LOL!!

Now, you forget that SOMEONE of Authority told them that He has an INVISIBLE sentry that is monitoring them. And then they behaved in an ethical manner!
In this sense, this SOMEONE is God, through the Agency of His Prophets through the Ages down to Us. They remind us of
1. The Purpose of our Existence
2. The Danger of deviating from our Purpose.
3. Instructions for living a new life


Do you have any Evidence for the non-existence of God (as God is NOT a Physical Being)?

ing down genetic traits of your God failed project? What about his perfection?


You are yet to tell me the difference between the class captain and the principal, cause your Bible claim Jesus is God, so God became human to inherit the sins of his own creation to sacrifice himself to himself in order to reconcile humans with himself?



The experiment, simply shows , religion culture traditions are just humanly devised structure of rules and norms that shape and constrain social behavior , and all human fears , weaknesses, strength, desires, dreams etc are exploited to make it happen, prophets , chief priest, witch doctors seers etc are all manipulators


I could wake up one day and claim to have some spiritual gifts and find gullible people to manipulate, it's that simple



Do you have evidence of the existence of God,or God is just a fragment of human imagination? Humans created God

Mrfeel:

ing down genetic traits of your God failed project? What about his perfection?

You seem not to know that this is what we do when we write Complex Software Codes.

Have you heard of Object Oriented Programming before?

Mrfeel:

You are yet to tell me the difference between the class captain and the principal, cause your Bible claim Jesus is God, so God became human to inherit the sins of his own creation to sacrifice himself to himself in order to reconcile humans with himself?

Coming from a person without his own defendable opinion!?
You make me laugh!

If God is unlike anything in Creation, how can things in creation be exactly like him. Process this if you can

Mrfeel:

The experiment, simply shows , religion culture traditions are just humanly devised structure of rules and norms that shape and constrain social behavior , and all human fears , weaknesses, strength, desires, dreams etc are exploited to make it happen, prophets , chief priest, witch doctors seers etc are all manipulators

It's your opinion which you are free to hold. You have a Volition don't you!?

Mrfeel:

I could wake up one day and claim to have some spiritual gifts and find gullible people to manipulate, it's that simple

You will not be the first to do so, you might as well start!
It seems that you don't know that every counterfeits is because there is an original!

Mrfeel:

Do you have evidence of the existence of God,or God is just a fragment of human imagination? Humans created God

where were started this conversation?

Unfortunately, you shut down your own REASONING as you wouldn't ANSWER my Questions based on the Common Sense Method of Knowing that a Creator Exist.
With your willful stance, I decided to answer all your questions till now.


My Evidence for God is SUBJECTIVE to me and thus would be useless to you.
Unless you face the questions you avoid, you cannot be Helped !

TenQ:

You seem not to know that this is what we do when we write Complex Software Codes.

Have you heard of Object Oriented Programming before?



Coming from a person without his own defendable opinion!?
You make me laugh!

If God is unlike anything in Creation, how can things in creation be exactly like him. Process this if you can


It's your opinion which you are free to hold. You have a Volition don't you!?



You will not be the first to do so, you might as well start!
It seems that you done know that every counterfeits is because there is an original!




where were started this conversation?

Unfortunately, you shut down your own REASONING as you wouldn't ANSWER my Questions based on the Common Sense Method of Knowing that a Creator Exist.
With your willful stance, I decided to answer all your questions till now.


My Evidence for God is SUBJECTIVE to me and thus would be useless to you.
Unless you face the questions you avoid, you cannot be Helped !

So you now it the God you claim is perfect is not perfect afterall, the beginning and end, the one who knows all ,sees all etc is not perfect?


I still ask , God became human to sacrifice himself to himself and pay to himself for the sins of his creation that he might forgive his own creation?


They same way I will claim things that are not true and convince alot of people to believe me it's same way the bible was written, including the story of creation probably by Moses plus the norms values and taboos he wrote that he might have control over a stubborn sect of people who were hardened by slavery


The same can by applied to the thousands of similar religious cultures and traditions we have all over the world

Mrfeel:



So you now it the God you claim is perfect is not perfect afterall, the beginning and end, the one who knows all ,sees all etc is not perfect?


I still ask , God became human to sacrifice himself to himself and pay to himself for the sins of his creation that he might forgive his own creation?


They same way I will claim things that are not true and convince alot of people to believe me it's same way the bible was written, including the story of creation plus the norms values and taboos he wrote that he might have control over a stubborn sect of people who were hardened by slavery

Every Evidence for God is SUBJECTIVE because God is not made of Matter and thus my evidence would be useless to you.

Unfortunately, because you have NEVER stopped to ask yourself the REAL questions, it's like a toddler asking about Quantum Physics!

Unless you face the questions you avoid, you cannot be Helped !

Do you realise that I have preached the Gospel to you in a very clear manner?