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Amazing, thought-provoking video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSb8TswXoyo&t=32s

Which one of the plethora of deified ancestors and personification of natural elements?

Is there a seperate God that created each continent?

otipoju:
■ Which one of the plethora of deified ancestors and personification of natural elements?
■ Is there a seperate God that created each continent?

In Nigeria alone, there are about over 40 of them. So, if OP is calling on folks to go back, he would certainly be surprised that many would still not regard his own deity as much.

2. Do the particular deity one chooses need to be the one who created the continent? What about simply going back to the deity worshipped by one's particular ancestors(no matter how many they may be)? Is that not a much simpler option?

IT IS "OLODUMARE", GOD OF THE UNIVERSE.
"ODUDUIWA" CHRIST CHARACTER IS HIS BELOVED SON HEAR YE HIM.

Kobojunkie:
In Nigeria alone, there are about over 40 of them. So, if OP is calling on folks to go back, he would certainly be surprised that many would still not regard his own deity as much.

2. Do the particular deity one chooses need to be the one who created the continent? What about simply going back to the deity worshipped by one's particular ancestors(no matter how many they may be)? Is that not a much simpler option?

In other words, there is no african God.

In African cosmogony, what we have mostly are defied ancestors...that is human beings who bleeped, ate , shat and slept and died like me. I don't think I would want to worship such in spite of whatever exploits they accomplished when they were flesh and blood.

Another classification of deities are personalization of natural forces...such as water, thunder, trees, oceans, etc. Why would I want to worship such.

Another classification are disembodied spirits... which are living entities even though they have no bodies.

Still why would I want to worship a spirit that did not create the world and did not create me and therefore should have no dictate on how I live.

Now,in African societies, a hood number of them have a belief in the Supreme Being who created all things just like many other societies all over the world.

If many societies believe in a supreme being...even though they call it by different names, then I dare say we all worship the same God. He is not African nor European nor Semitic. He is a Spirit being and the idea of an African God therefore holds no water to me.

otipoju:

If many societies believe in a supreme being...even though they call it by different names, then I dare say we all worship the same God. He is not African nor European nor Semitic. He is a Spirit being and the idea of an African God therefore holds no water to me.

Highlight is a lie!

If you want to know the truth you must study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses (Jesus' real disciples)
Just a hint!

God created a couple just as he created each creature male and female they all began to reproduce and that's how the planet was filled with humans, animals and sea creatures.

God created man specially to take charge of the earth as intelligent creatures we are to make the planet a haven by building houses in all the corners of the earth and taking good care of it.

The only warning God gave us was never to think of setting standards for ourselves rather He (God) should be the sole authority or our ruler thus the title GOD or SUPREME BEING.

The couple rebelled against this arrangement and from that time peace left the earth as each human began struggling to be at the top ruling over others.

All these wouldn't have happened if there was no higher intelligent being behind the scene manipulating gullible humans to continue the struggle to dominate their fellow humans, the unseen beings knew that when humans expire they will continue to rule as Gods over the inhabitants of each geographical location where the person they ed to rule lived that is the Genesis of Gods on planet earth.

God decided to introduce Himself to mankind by choosing one man named Abraham before then Abraham and all his ancestors also worshiped demons. Joshua 24:2

So it's only the descendants of this man that were privileged to know and worshiped the true God though many of them finds it difficult to keep their worship pure as they continue to mingle with worshipers of demons due to lack of understanding! Hosea 4:6

It was in God's plan to unite all integrity keepers throughout the earth but that doesn't mean they were all worshiping Him from ages!

MaxInDHouse:


Highlight is a lie!

If you want to know the truth you must study the Bible with Jehovah's Witnesses (Jesus' real disciples)
Just a hint!

God created a couple just as he created each creature male and female they all began to reproduce and that's how the planet was filled with humans, animals and sea creatures.

God created man specially to take charge of the earth as intelligent creatures we are to make the planet a haven by building houses in all the corners of the earth and taking good care of it.

The only warning God gave us was never to think of setting standards for ourselves rather He (God) should be the sole authority or our ruler thus the title GOD or SUPREME BEING.

The couple rebelled against this arrangement and from that time peace left the earth as each human began struggling to be at the top ruling over others.

All these wouldn't have happened if there was no higher intelligent being behind the scene manipulating gullible humans to continue the struggle to dominate their fellow humans, the unseen beings knew that when humans expire they will continue to rule as Gods over the inhabitants of each geographical location where the person they ed to rule lived that is the Genesis of Gods on planet earth.

God decided to introduce Himself to mankind by choosing one man named Abraham before then Abraham and all his ancestors also worshiped demons. Joshua 24:2

So it's only the descendants of this man that were privileged to know and worshiped the true God though many of them finds it difficult to keep their worship pure as they continue to mingle with worshipers of demons due to lack of understanding! Hosea 4:6

It was in God's plan to unite all integrity keepers throughout the earth but that doesn't mean they were all worshiping Him from ages!

You are just regurgitating what you were indoctrinated with since childhood....we are talking about critical thinking here.

By the way the prediction that your elders predicted that the world will come to an end in 1914 has not come to ooo. Since...abi una think sey we don forget

otipoju:

You are just regurgitating what you were indoctrinated with since childhood....we are talking about critical thinking here.
By the way the prediction that your elders predicted that the world will come to an end in 1914 has not come to ooo. Since...abi una think sey we don forget

Do you really care about CRITICAL THINKING or you just want to respond to make yourself feel good?

Please let me hear what you have that's from your critical thinking skills.

The year 1914 truly mark the end of this system of things just as Jehovah's Witnesses predicted but like the first century Jews didn't get a clear picture of God's purpose the Jehovah's Witnesses also didn't get the clear picture yet they made a remarkable prediction.

Do you know?

*There has never been a time in the history of mankind that the whole planet went into war? Matthew 24:7
*That artificial food shortages on this planet began that same year?
*It's from that time religionists claiming they can perform miracles like Jesus of Nazareth began? Matthew 24:11
*Lawlessness speedily increased globally from that time till today? Matthew 24:12
*Hard working people can no longer take good care of their families from that year? Matthew 24:13

Well for your information it's not a coincidence rather Jesus began ruling in heaven that year and Satan with his demons were driven out of heaven immediately Jesus started his rulership in heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} that's why Satan and his demons are swiftly speeding up technology to entice gullible inhabitants of the earth so that they may be carried away with the anxieties of life {Matthew 6:34} all these started in the year 1914!

Surely the Jehovah's Witnesses saw something no one else saw no wonder they were divinely called the "WATCHTOWER SOCIETY" perhaps you don't know what a watchtower means it simply the rooftop of cities in ancient times where soldiers are kept to continue watching out for whatever is approaching and the organization of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have proved that they are up to the task.

And let me remind you that i was not born as one of them rather i was a Muslim i only love the truth no matter how bitter it is that's what helped me to know and them!

MaxInDHouse:


Do you really care about CRITICAL THINKING or you just want to respond to make yourself feel good?

Please let me hear what you have that's from your critical thinking skills.

The year 1914 truly mark the end of this system of things just as Jehovah's Witnesses predicted but like the first century Jews didn't get a clear picture of God's purpose the Jehovah's Witnesses also didn't get the clear picture yet they made a remarkable prediction.

Do you know?

*There has never been a time in the history of mankind that the whole planet went into war? Matthew 24:7
*That artificial food shortages on this planet began that same year?
*It's from that time religionists claiming they can perform miracles like Jesus of Nazareth began? Matthew 24:11
*Lawlessness speedily increased globally from that time till today? Matthew 24:12
*Hard working people can no longer take good care of their families from that year? Matthew 24:13

Well for your information it's not a coincidence rather Jesus began ruling in heaven that year and Satan with his demons were driven out of heaven immediately Jesus started his rulership in heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} that's why Satan and his demons are swiftly speeding up technology to entice gullible inhabitants of the earth so that they may be carried away with the anxieties of life {Matthew 6:34} all these started in the year 1914!

Surely the Jehovah's Witnesses saw something no one else saw no wonder they were divinely called the "WATCHTOWER SOCIETY" perhaps you don't know what a watchtower means it simply the rooftop of cities in ancient times where soldiers are kept to continue watching out for whatever is approaching and the organization of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have proved that they are up to the task.

And let me remind you that i was not born as one of them rather i was a Muslim i only love the truth no matter how bitter it is that's what helped me to know and them!

Let me tell you two things about me, ss s child I had a monthly supply of awake and watchtower , read my book of Bible stories abd questions young people ask, answers that work.

I am grateful for the impact they had on me.

I also spent 4 good academic sessions studying religious experiences of mankind.

Everything you write up here is false. I am about to go to bed now so I have no time to argue and even if I had the time I have little desire these days to debate an anonymous face.

otipoju:


In other words, there is no african God.

In African cosmogony, what we have mostly are defied ancestors...that is human beings who bleeped, ate , shat and slept and died like me. I don't think I would want to worship such in spite of whatever exploits they accomplished when they were flesh and blood.

Another classification of deities are personalization of natural forces...such as water, thunder, trees, oceans, etc. Why would I want to worship such.

Another classification are disembodied spirits... which are living entities even though they have no bodies.

Still why would I want to worship a spirit that did not create the world and did not create me and therefore should have no dictate on how I live.

Now,in African societies, a hood number of them have a belief in the Supreme Being who created all things just like many other societies all over the world.

If many societies believe in a supreme being...even though they call it by different

names, then I dare say we all worship the
same God. He is not African nor European nor
He is a Spirit being and the idea of an African God therefore holds no water to me.

otipoju:

Let me tell you two things about me, ss s child I had a monthly supply of AWAKE and WATCHTOWER, read My Book Of Bible Stories and Questions Young People Ask, Answers That Work.

I am grateful for the impact they had on me.

I also spent 4 good academic sessions studying religious experiences of Mankind Search For God

Only you as in one person mentioned about Five fine WORKS of one single organization:

*AWAKE
*WATCHTOWER
*My Book Of Bible Stories
*Questions Young People Ask, Answers That Work
*Mankind Search For God

Yet you still finds it really difficult to see that Jesus is WORKING with this organization!

Wow! As in Wow!

Well i know that Jesus said to Jehovah's Witnesses:

“You are the light of the world. A city cannot be hid when located on a mountain. People light a lamp and set it, not under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it shines on all those in the house. Likewise, let your light shine before men, so that they may see your fine works and give glory to your Father who is in the heavens" Matthew 5:14-16

Ọmọ nobody needs to preach anymore to you regarding the one and only organization Jesus is using in our time one thing i will tell you is what Jesus told everyone who has the opportunity to know his group:

“Exert yourselves vigorously to get in through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will seek to get in but will not be able." Luke 13:24

You've known the truth so you're free to turn your back on it!

The God of Isreall will kill the god of Africa.

We must die to be reborn.

otipoju:
■ In other words, there is no african God.
■ In African cosmogony, what we have mostly are defied ancestors...that is human beings who bleeped, ate , shat and slept and died like me. I don't think I would want to worship such in spite of whatever exploits they accomplished when they were flesh and blood.
Another classification of deities are personalization of natural forces...such as water, thunder, trees, oceans, etc. Why would I want to worship such.Another classification are disembodied spirits... which are living entities even though they have no bodies. Still why would I want to worship a spirit that did not create the world and did not create me and therefore should have no dictate on how I live.
■ Now,in African societies, a hood number of them have a belief in the Supreme Being who created all things just like many other societies all over the world. If many societies believe in a supreme being...even though they call it by different names, then I dare say we all worship the same God.
■ He is not African nor European nor Semitic. He is a Spirit being and the idea of an African God therefore holds no water to me.

1. Well, if you really think carefully about it, you would easily see why there can't exist an "African God" per se since individual deities are generally closely associated with particular bloodlines, cultures, tribes/ethnic groups. You rarely find the same deities worshipped by many different cultures. So, in Africa, you are bound to find worshipped many different deities and not just one.

2. I don't tend to agree with this overly generalized view of African deities actually.

3. That is a leap in logic you have going there.

4. I see leaps in logic are a thing for you, huh?

Kobojunkie:
1. Well, if you really think carefully about it, you would easily see why there can't exist an "African God" per se since individual deities are generally closely associated with particular bloodlines, cultures, tribes/ethnic groups. You rarely find the same deities worshipped by many different cultures. So, in Africa, you are bound to find worshipped many different deities and not just one.

2. I don't tend to agree with this overly generalized view of African deities actually.

3. That is a leap in logic you have going there.

4. I see leaps in logic are a thing for you, huh?

Anthropomorphic attributions to God are intrinsically problematic...and tiny mobile phone may not be a convenient platform to unpack my thoughts fully. So bear with me.

African God in this context means a spiritual entity that is distinctly "African" From Africa, is African and belongs to Africa. Such a thought can not hold true with the idea of a Supreme being ( God) who is the creature of the universe.

It is a contradiction. A supreme being cannot belong to one race if he created all things.

otipoju:
■ Anthropomorphic attributions to God are intrinsically problematic...and tiny mobile phone may not be a convenient platform to unpack my thoughts fully. So bear with me. African God in this context means a spiritual entity that is distinctly "African" From Africa, is African and belongs to Africa. Such a thought can not hold true with the idea of a Supreme being ( God) who is the creature of the universe.
■ It is a contradiction. A supreme being cannot belong to one race if he created all things.

Let me try to get your point here. Are you insinuating that if Lagbaja were to declare that his deity(let's call him Ologba) is the supreme being, and Bala equally declared to us that his deity(Hankaci in this case) is also the supreme being, it must then mean that Lagbja and Bala are both correct in insisting that their particular deity is the supreme being — Ologba and Bala must be references to the same and only Supreme deity?

2. The problem in this case is not the supreme being at all but the claims made by humans regarding this supposed supreme being whose identity you seem to think is determined by humans— whims and opinions— and no the supreme being himself.

Kobojunkie:
Let me try to get your point here. Are you insinuating that if Lagbaja were to declare that his deity(let's call him Ologba) is the supreme being, and Bala equally declared to us that his deity(Hankaci in this case) is also the supreme being, it must then mean that Lagbja and Bala are both correct in insisting that their particular deity is the supreme being — Ologba and Bala must be references to the same and only Supreme deity?

2. The problem in this case is not the supreme being at all but the claims made by humans regarding this supposed supreme being whose identity you seem to think is determined by humans— whims and opinions— and no the supreme being himself.

I get you. This supreme being that both are describing if they have the same core characteristics of which the paramount one for me is that he created the universe, then I am willing g to take the leap of " faith" to say that they are describing the same entity with their own local expressions or experiences as the stories were handed down to them by their ancestors.

Any diety that did not create the world, can not be lord over it and is a creation itself, wether in the human mind or by the Supreme Being.


For me there can not be two or more supreme beings. One for each culture or continent.

otipoju:
■ I get you. This supreme being that both are describing if they have the same core characteristics of which the paramount one for me is that he created the universe, then I am willing g to take the leap of " faith" to say that they are describing the same entity with their own local expressions or experiences as the stories were handed down to them by their ancestors.
■ Any diety that did not create the world, can not be lord over it and is a creation itself, wether in the human mind or by the Supreme Being.
■ For me there can not be two or more supreme beings. One for each culture or continent.

Now you suggest that you get to decide those what the core characteristics from the descriptions should be as far as the truth of the supreme being. Come on! 🙄

Leap of faith? You say it like you humans get to decide what applies and what does not as far as this supreme entity. Na wa oo! 🤔

2. Anyone can wake up any day and suggest that his or her particular deity is the creator of the universe aka the supreme being. The problem here is rather your suggestion that as long as people make the claim and you decide— of your subjective view that is — that the particular description given fits with your private ideas of the supreme being then that deity must be an image of the only supreme being.

3. However, each culture is not barred from believing that their particular deity— not that of others— is the supreme being, right?

Kobojunkie:
Now you suggest that you get to decide those what the core characteristics from the descriptions should be as far as the truth of the supreme being. Come on! 🙄

Leap of faith? You say it like you humans get to decide what applies and what does not as far as this supreme entity. Na wa oo! 🤔

2. Anyone can wake up any day and suggest that his or her particular deity is the creator of the universe aka the supreme being. The problem here is rather your suggestion that as long as people make the claim and you decide— of your subjective view that is — that the particular description given fits with your private ideas of the supreme being then that deity must be an image of the only supreme being.

3. However, each culture is not barred from believing that their particular deity— not that of others— is the supreme being, right?

Kobojunkie, I don realise say no be normal person I dey follow reason. I thought it was the other guy who caught my attention either his own critical thinking ability. No wonder you no fit comprehend wetin I dey try talk. I . You fit dey argue with yourself.

Aaronsrod:
The God of Isreall will kill the god of Africa.

We must die to be reborn.

YOU ARE A SICK PERSON.

TOTALLY BRAINWASHED TO BE STUPID.

EVEN THE SO-CALLED ISRAEL, DO YOU THINK IT WAS WHITE PEOPLE THERE?

SEE THE IGNORANT DUNCE POSTING IMAGES OF WHITES TO SIGNIFY ISRAEL.

GO AND READ AMOS 9 VERSE 7.

AND ZEPHANIAH 3 VERSE 10.

STUPID DUNCE WITH NO BRAIN.

otipoju:
Which one of the plethora of deified ancestors and personification of natural elements?

Is there a seperate God that created each continent?

GO AND ASK THE JAPANESE, OYINBO SPEAKER.

The Japanese practice SHINTOISM, which is really just a variation of the old EDO religion exported there by ancient NIGERIANS who settled there.

There are over 200,000 shrines in Japan, many maintained by the government.

Shintoism is about ancestor veneration, mountain spirits, tree spirits. etc.

They believe in the Supreme Being just like our ancestors did, but regard DEITIES as His HELPERS, just like our ancestors did.

When a JAPANESE MAN buys a car, the first place he goes is to his LOCAL SHRINE where the priest will sprinkle spiritual water on the car, and utter some incantations, to ensure safe journeys.

On his way to work in the morning, the Japanese man stops over at the nearest shrine on his route, and offers a short prayer to whatever deity is there. And moves on to work.

IT'S PURE AFRICAN RELIGION THEY PRACTISE IN JAPAN.

And it is BACKED BY THE GOVT AS THE STATE RELIGION.

In the modern era they've replaced animal sacrifice with food and flowers, WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE IF WE HAD OUR HEADS SCREWED ON RIGHT AND STOPPED WORSHIPING EUROPEANS AND ARABS AND THEIR FAKE, IMPORTED WHITE 'SAVIOURS'.

RUBBISH.

Rossikk:


GO AND ASK THE JAPANESE, OYINBO SPEAKER.

The Japanese practice SHINTOISM, which is really just a variation of the old EDO religion exported there by ancient NIGERIANS who settled there.

There are over 200,000 shrines in Japan, many maintained by the government.

Shintoism is about ancestor veneration, mountain spirits, tree spirits. etc.

They believe in the Supreme Being just like our ancestors did, but regard DEITIES as His HELPERS, just like our ancestors did.

When a JAPANESE MAN buys a car, the first place he goes is to his LOCAL SHRINE where the priest will sprinkle spiritual water on the car, and utter some incantations, to ensure safe journeys.

On his way to work in the morning, the Japanese man stops over at the nearest shrine on his route, and offers a short prayer to whatever deity is there. And moves on to work.

IT'S PURE AFRICAN RELIGION THEY PRACTISE IN JAPAN.

And it is BACKED BY THE GOVT AS THE STATE RELIGION.

In the modern era they've replaced animal sacrifice with food and flowers, WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE IF WE HAD OUR HEADS SCREWED ON RIGHT AND STOPPED WORSHIPING EUROPEANS AND ARABS AND THEIR FAKE, IMPORTED WHITE 'SAVIOURS'.

RUBBISH.

We didn't import or practise Shintoism from anywhere.

Rossikk:


GO AND ASK THE JAPANESE, OYINBO SPEAKER.

The Japanese practice SHINTOISM, which is really just a variation of the old EDO religion exported there by ancient NIGERIANS who settled there.

There are over 200,000 shrines in Japan, many maintained by the government.

Shintoism is about ancestor veneration, mountain spirits, tree spirits. etc.

They believe in the Supreme Being just like our ancestors did, but regard DEITIES as His HELPERS, just like our ancestors did.

When a JAPANESE MAN buys a car, the first place he goes is to his LOCAL SHRINE where the priest will sprinkle spiritual water on the car, and utter some incantations, to ensure safe journeys.

On his way to work in the morning, the Japanese man stops over at the nearest shrine on his route, and offers a short prayer to whatever deity is there. And moves on to work.

IT'S PURE AFRICAN RELIGION THEY PRACTISE IN JAPAN.

And it is BACKED BY THE GOVT AS THE STATE RELIGION.

In the modern era they've replaced animal sacrifice with food and flowers, WHICH IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE IF WE HAD OUR HEADS SCREWED ON RIGHT AND STOPPED WORSHIPING EUROPEANS AND ARABS AND THEIR FAKE, IMPORTED WHITE 'SAVIOURS'.

RUBBISH.

Is Jesus white?

And if according to Christianity, he is God made flesh, is God white or black or brown or yellow.

Stop dwelling in the murky muddy details and elevate your thinking to higher levels.

If there is a being that created the world, there can be only one of such beings and therefore he is not "owned" by any tribe nation or continent or race.

The Supreme Being cannot be two, He/She can only be one.

Like the big Elephant being groped by blind the blind men, they get to describe him based on their own experiences. No one culture can claim to have the full picture of this being and he can not be fragmented.

There is no African God, there is no European God, there is no Asian God there is no Arab God, there is no Indian God.

Personally I cannot venerate any ancestor just like I would have no desire to be venerated... in 200 years time our children go dey venerated Yahoo boys,armed robber and Olosho and wicked politicians based on sey dem be ancestors?

Similarly I cannot worship any spirit that is not the creator of the world, wether he is an benevolent Angel or malevolent demon in Christian parlance or the thousand other deities that are " spirits" in other religions.

Thirdly, I cannot worship natural forces, because at the end of the day, they are creations in themselves. Why would I worship the wind, the sun, trees, an animal, the moon or a body of water?

The only being worthy of my adoration and obeisance is the Supreme Being that created the Universe.

The only reason why I would worship Jesus Christ is due to the claim of Christianity that he is God, the supreme being manifest in flesh for a certain purpose of reconciling man to himself.

If Jesus was a mere man, I would have no desire to worship him. If he was and he is God, then my relationship with him transcends the question of which race he chose to come in bodily form.

Final reminder, Jesus was not an European...don't base your argument on a false claim. In Christian tradition The angels are servants of God in the istration of his universe and reject any attempt by man to worship them. The Saints were men and rejected any form of worship by men. Instances of these statements of mine are found in the bible.

Summary of my claims

1. The Supreme being, God does not belong to any race. All races were created by him and as such there is no African God nor European God or Asian God or Arab God.

2. Deified Ancestors are not worthy of worship because they are creations themselves. Saints in Christianity or gods like Ogun and Sango can not receive any worship from me.

3. Personification of natural forces and elements are not worship worthy because they are also created. The sun, the moon, the rivers, water bodies, the wind, the Thunder etc.

4. Spirits...wether benevolent or malevolent are not worthy of worship because like all the other entities are created. Therefore Angel Michael and Orunmila or Esu Odara cannot receive my worship.

Kapisch?