NewStats: 3,265,537 , 8,187,137 topics. Date: Sunday, 15 June 2025 at 04:26 PM 715f5j

OgaNightmare:

I missed your comments
Where have you been?
And what of your partner in crime Datboredberry?

She deactivated..
I just hope she's ok..
How are you?

Laggafin:
lol .. Fernandez you such a maradona .. I quoted the Crown.. not necessarily the Queen.. it's like Governments being a continuum.. that's from the angle I'm coming from that Britain and the crown did horrendous stuff to Africa and Africans ..and you jumped in and said how is the present Queen to blame That she wasn't the one who dealt with Africans moreso that even British Govt never participated in slave trade .. but their private citizens and den you go ballistic... Lol.. i still maintain Africa must not celebrate a Crown that enslaved its forebears in most horrendous manner and never publicly came out till date to tender an unreserved Public apology to her

Britain has expressed regret for particular incidents in its imperial history...
But apologise for the empire itself?
No.
Why should they?

Imperialism was totally normal and socially acceptable behaviour for our species on almost every continent at the time and had been for much of Human history up to that point...
All empires did bad as that's the nature of empire...
These things should be ed.
However the British Empire was far more benevolent than than most contemporary alternatives to British rule and it left a far more positive global legacy than any other..

If you are talking about Queen Elizabeth 2 then you must be high cos she had no business neither did she partake in any slave trade bullshit.. but if you are talking about the slave trades before it was abolished then it was quite normal then cos everyone participated in it.. including the African tribes.
Read below..

Beremx:
lol okay o!
I am better now to God be the glory

Glad you are good now..
God?but why thank God? Why not thank the medicine and doctors who took their time to make sure you came out fine?

Laggafin:

I see you are being mischievous so as to prolong this conversations cause if not.. Yiu will take time to read my write up like I do to yours.. comprehend before responding.. you just keep cutting and ing your points and at end you distort your points.. before now u said British Govt or its crown was never actively involved in slave trade in Africa ditto Nigeria.. and I directed to go read up the crown of blood that was started effectively by Queen Elizabeth the 1st when she engaged JOHN HAWKINS.. a notorious British slave merchant in African Slaves .. who successfully helped her import slaves abundantly into Europe and their new world.. infact she was so happy that she honoured Hawkins with a coat of arms of nude Africans in chains..
And kings after her like King Charles and the rest also dealt heavily in African Slaves
Now u just being clever by half when you say the British fought slave trade and it's eventual abolition cause thats a lie from pit of hell.. i repeat the only reason it seemed as though the fought for slave abolishment was because of the INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION.. - go read up on this too; the revolution brought about machines replacing hand or African labour.. so they was no need to keep on importing slaves to work in plantations when machines have been invented that were far more efficient than human or slave labour. .
Finally to your point where you said Africans also aides the trade.. you and i read from history that Africans were not as sophisticated as these imperial racist Europeans when they came to our shores.. therefore they cud do or little or nothing to stop the hermorage.. even for those who resisted them.. they punished them .. forcefully raided their communities .. took Africans captives by force and even killed or replaced the king's with those who are willing to do their biddings. So please before u come in an open fora like this to throw schisms.. have your facts right.. cuz a lot of people learn too from this exchange

Your statement the whole time was about Queen Elizabeth 2 where you said it's not worth celebrating her..and your reason we're because she had a hand in enslaving your people..

Now I was trying to tell you that she had no doing or business with slave trade because it's been abolished..then you spoke about Queen Elizabeth 1..how can you talk about here when slavery was very rampant and normal then..
I thought our whole conversation was about Queen Elizabeth 2 involvement in slavery..

You go read up..this is not about punishment of Africans.. African leaders sold slaves to the merchants before the abolishment.

Beremx:
no amount of compensation can erase the torture and brutality Kenyans faced. It has become part of their history which will be taught to generations unborn

How are you doing btw?

Beremx we shouldn't be doing this..
Thanks a lot for your concern..great.. how have you been?
Your health and all cos the last time we spoke you was recovering or something..

Laggafin:

I thought you are a child of international relations or political science.. but ur schisms I'm sorry is hollow.. u keep making distorted claims that the British government or the crown wasn't actively involved in slave trade.. have u heard the story of Livingstone and how he helped the crown deal in slaves that was hugely successful to point that a coat of arm was done with portraits of blacks in chains to show possession and conquering of a race... I repeat bro or sister.. read up

Again if you say they settled Africans in Sierra Leone for example.. it was done out of racist urge of purging their metropoles of negroes who weren't necessarily needed anymore ..but their resources back home in Africa

You just said Britain exported your people in your previous comment..which was a normal business for merchant including Africans..Even when Africans were full participants...

At the height of the slave trade Europeans weren’t powerful enough to capture all that many slaves from the shores. The majority of the slaves they acquired were purchased from local African rulers. Where did the African rulers get them? Usually from war...Why did they sell other Africans to Europeans? For the same reason the Saxons had gone to war against the Wends: sharing a continent and a skin complexion does not make you one people...

So your argument is hereby dismissed because slavery has been abolished long before British government even came to Nigeria..so those who traded slaves were considered criminals and it was not done by the British government...
Or was it not the same British government that fought against slave ownership...

I repeat if you were talking about the slave trade before the abolishment of slaves then yes everyone was a participants including Africans themselves...

Keep exaggerating things..
If we wanted to be technical there was no “war" in Kenya and thus no “war crimes".. What there was depending on your point of view..was a native uprising or a national liberation struggle...

That said there is ample evidence that atrocities were committed by both sides including on the British and Kenyan civilians..
“It was an armed rebellion launched by the Kikuyu..who had lost land during colonisation...Its adherents mounted gruesome attacks on white settlers and fellow Kikuyu who collaborated with the British istration...

Why not tell everyone that on 6 June 2013..the British foreign secretary read a statement in the House of Commons announcing an unprecedented agreement to compensate 5,228 Kenyans who were tortured and abused during the insurrection...Each would receive about £3,800?
In other words none of this is really new..

Laggafin:

I guess u reading from a biased distorted mind.. dats why u find it hard to comprehend my schisms.. I never said other European countries or Arabs or even Africans didn't engage in one form of slave enterprise or the other.. I mean for us here in Nigeria.. it was the Britons who were garullousLy involved in exporting my forebears in huge scale or commercial quantities to the new world before the industrial revolution that forced their hands to change tactics of replacing slave trade with effective occupation of hitherto slave territories to gain unfettered access to raw materials highly needed to supply chimneys and industrual machines back home in production hitherto done by slave labour.. that's the real macoy why they stoped slave trade.. pls stop distorting facts..
Also if the Queen was mesonic and clean in your words as not being the one whoSE tenure as Briton crown head dealt in slaves.. the onus was on her to publicly apologize to all those who have been dealt a sour blow by her predecessors in which she represents today to forgive the crimes of the past moving on.. that would have gone a long way to heal memoirs and angst against the imperial crown

What are you typing?
If you say the British exported you guys.. then it was you folks who sold yourself out to them..
And by the way..why does that bother you when yve been enslaving yourselves by conquering each other even before they came to your country?

Europeans merchants purchased Africa slaves from Africans themselves..not like they forcefully took you folks..
As I said earlier it was considered as business then..the British government did not export any Nigerian as slave..

And after abolishing the slave trade they freed and prolly settled the affected..so tell me how did they export slaves out when it was already abolished all around the globe?

Rozross:
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Glad you are back..

Rozross:
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GalRenaissance:


It was well spiced and tasted well.
You're having the feeling because orishirishi no dey on top

Who am mi tuh argue wid yuh royal majesty? since yuh seh it tayse gud den it did....
Did just being curious as usual..

Laggafin:

Hey u beginning to sound lame again. How do u separate the crown from its citizens who were trading in slaves and natural resource from Africa It's like saying south African Govt has no business with its octopus companies here like MTN.. ShopRite and the likes

Where is the place of repatriated funds to mother countries by expatriate concerns or organizations!! Pls stop turning logic upside down and distort facts cuz you in haste to make points. I have lived in Britain and still have siblings there.. the average English man is exploitative.. and it's the only country in the world..quote me if im wrong where 80 percent or more of govts revenue comes solely from Taxation.. and if you are saying that the crown wasn't necessarily interested in African slaves and its resources.. then they was absolutely no need to colonize her

Every society in history has endorsed slavery. Every. Society. In. History.
Are you with me?

Arabs. Chinese. Indians. Mayans. Japanese. Russians. Americans. North American Indians. Egyptians. Babylonians. Romans. Greeks. Vikings.
All were slave societies. Every last one of them. And many more, too.
Everyone...

Let's talk about what you probably mean by slavery - exporting Black Africans as slaves.
It began with the Arabs who found that stealing black Africans was highly profitable for trade to the east of Arabian countries primarily taking East Africans from the area around what is now Nigeriaband selling them in Persia and India...
It was taken up by the Portuguese who found that providing ocean transport around the Cape of Good Hope for the slaves was an efficient way to pay for costs of exploration...

It was echoed by the Spanish who found South Americans were easily made slaves and were good with horses... then the British abolished it before the Queen's birth.. so why link it to her..
Talking about colonization..seems you didn't read your history book..they did not come to Colonise Nigeria cos they needed slaves...

Laggafin:

Im impressed a bit .. u sound knowledgeable at this last write up.. but then it dosnt make it right if they helped to exercabate and make slavery become a huge enterprise of global proportions . To your question .. they began to run crusade against slavery only after the industrial revolution .. when exporting slaves was no longer profitable cuz machines and steam engines has replaced human labour in their new world

Look during that period slavery was a huge business...I mean hooge.. for some private persons..
They(British empire) wanted to do the ‘right thing.'..not everyone in Britain was so high minded..of course. But the driving political force was Wilberforce and the other abolitionists... At least with respect to the Atlantic slave trade...

The “British Empire” made almost nothing, it was not a profit making operation...The money was made by businesses and their backers...You had shipbuilders..traders..suppliers..sailors..metalworkers...clerks..bankers..lawyers and hundreds of other trades...

Slavery -and I am assuming you mean just the relatively short period of the trans-Atlantic slave trade - was a capitalist and private enterprise operation involving people of all colours from Africa..Asia.. Europe and the Americas...

Running the Royal Navy Anti-Slavery patrols off the African coast now that DID cost the British a lot of money..so?

Are you scared of coming out as an atheist?
I don't think Nigeria has such rigid law.

GalRenaissance:


Yes. The fish complemented it well but it's not bad.

Why do I have this feeling that the meal didn't taste as expected..
Enjoy..

Laggafin:

Good.. at least I have made You read up and enlighten yourself a lil bit more.. But the question remains did Briton sell oda races or export them to other parts of the world in the large scale in which they did in Africa and most especially Black Africans!!!! Fernandez answer this question objectively for the last time.. Again are u a guy or girl biko?

I'm the one enlightening you here..you Said they enslaved you like you guys haven't been doing worse than that before being one..
You asked me a question and I gave you an answer..
The African slave trade existed for 100s of years before Europeans started to be customers...

The British were enslaved for hundreds of years by Romans..vikings..the African Moors !
The Romans came and enslaved them
The Saxons had it had asocial welfare scheme..
Irish they raided them for slaves
vikings too..
then the N Africans raided S.England for slaves

The slaves in Africa were “made" by African tribes in inter tribal wars..African empires like the songhai and Ashanti and Muslim slavers who had small slave kingdoms all over Africa...
The British however bought slaves just like every other nation and people in the world at that time and then transported them to America to work on the plantations..The transport was pretty horrific as the journey across the sea was dangerous even for a normal enger but slaves were crammed in horrendous conditions. Once there they faced back breaking work in plantations or as house workers but although a terrible life they were more lucky than their fellow slaves who had stayed in Africa or been taken by Muslim slavers...

The British public and parliament holding Christian values saw how wrong slavery was and this anger grew and grew until the British became the first people to ban slavery and start to force others to do the same...Capturing American ships transporting slaves and freeing slaves...Forcing African tribes to give up the practice and putting pressure on other nations to do the same...In many cases having to go to war to stop these practices for example with the Ashanti. .
The better question should be why did British abolish slave trade when they benefited from the labor market?

We love the queen and Nigerians should be grateful to Britain for colonising them..
They introduced systems..infrastructure...which helped the local population... Even abolished slave trade and all these ingrate could do is blame the queen..

Or they forgot how Africa tribes were Killin and enslaving themself and a sign of victory!
Who abolished that? British..

Cypress042:
Hope you enjoyed your ban

How are you?
I got your mail..what's the issue sir..?
In a span of 2 weeks you sent 4 different messages..is all okay ?

Laggafin:

Another lame bants.. Now can I ask you dumb skull if Britain sold Indians or native Americans out as slaves? If u can answer this question objectively..then it will shut your cesspit vitrols

But you Nigerians have been enslaving yourself before they even came in to Colonise y'all tho..
Your forefathers sold your fellow Africans to the British masters so why wailing like a kid?
You conquered other tribe and captured some others for slavery why complaining about the British action..

And concerning Indians..The British- as well as the Dutch and Arabs and Indians themselves- enslaved Indians, both inside India and for export...
Africans usually sold their neighbours who they did not consider to be their own kind and usually after defeating them in battle... so what the f**k are you saying?
Or how your own sold Nigeria to the British?or how the British abolished slave trade..

Delusion grandeur..
You folks better stop fooling yallselves on the net.. who TF are you that's gonna make Britain stoop so low...
They couldn't borrow from USA.. or other world power?

Ever since this queen died you Dumbos have been all over the place wailing..wake up and take responsibility for your actions..or better still hold your late leader who led you in millions to your death and later ran away..

Laggafin:

Stop hybernating in cursory illusions to be defending dustbin schisms.. I mean what is wrong in someone calling out an oppressive crown that raped Africa horrendously more than any other part of the world it colonized I repeat bro pls go read up .. den tag me to be better educated

Stop hybernating little boy and take responsibility..I mean how can you keep talking about this same issue others have gone past?
Did they also milk your brain?or stop you from thinking..the resources they didn't milk how far has it gotten you folks?
Come on boy it's lame already and no one takes you guys serious..other colony are doing fine but you keep wailing all day..
It you seem to focus on their bad side and leave out the side that benefited you Dumbos?

Nigerians with their dumb beliefs that ain't helping their life..they choose to be influenced by religion and corruption but blame the queen for their misfortune..

Laggafin:

You are simply suffering chronic inferiority complex.. I can't help u bro

You are just a narcissist and I can't help you..

GalRenaissance:


Spaghetti.

Did you enjoy it?

Laggafin:

I just burst in Agbado style laughter' gbadocacacaca when I read ur imbecilic rants.. try harder next time

Try harder with the blame game and victim card..

Laggafin:

Comrade go and read up .. before you tag my mentions so u don't sound unintelligent

Why not shut up and stop embarrassing yourself..I repeat did they not loot other colonies or why you kids choose to remain stagnant and always talk nonsense..

Did your government not steal worse than that..?
Where are you now?

UyaiIncomparabl:
Wow. She's so attractive. The under go tight well well.

WTF..

Laggafin:
Stop Glorifying vain tins.. she stole all those diamonds and gold from Africa

So they didn't loot India or USA or there other colonies?
Keep wailing while other countries have moved on and doing fine..

GalRenaissance:
Basic

Noodles?

OBALOLA55:
BROTHER GAYBRIEL YOU STILL DEY NAIRALAND

How are you baby boy?

Grace2023:
you will have sense when they clone this your , frame you up with it and use this your to blaspheme Mohammed of yours, if they have your details they will spread it on social media so those Islamic terrorists can locate you, kill you and burn your corpse for blaspheming their holy prophet.
I'm working on dealing with you on this forum.
Just pray I don't lay hold on your details

You and your God are noise makers..
You can't do nothing..

Chop where have ya been?
Been a long while..