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"Based on the lack of respect that China has shown to the World's Markets" . . . . The above quote is evidence of psychiatric illness 1 Like 1 Share |
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descarado: They probably have secret corrupt deals together 1 Like |
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azadus18: I beleive that honour goes to Swahili 2 Likes |
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eteba: Alright thanks for that information. However does the SA have the powers to appoint s for the LGs? |
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Peacecore: Hang on. Are you saying there were no LG Councils in place? Mind you, that will be different from saying they are stymied by legal proceedings in courts. |
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Jakumo: that we could also be considered "highly advanced" aliens to some other species somewhere in the universe. 1 Like |
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Madness writ large. How did the Sole derive powers to also suspend democratically elected local governments? 1 Like |
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Jakumo: Not to speak of the need to be prepared against extra terrestrial threats. |
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Where are the Trump Church Disciples who will come to preach how Volkswagen must bow down and accept Trump as their personal lord and savior?
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PressMyButton: How much do you get monthly for this? Is it enough for petrol in your gen? 1 Like |
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SalamRushdie: You are probably a teenager. 3 Likes |
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wirinet: My dear I understand you might not have had time to go through the thread from years ago I shared with you. This link you have provided and many others, I provided there - years ago. What you need to understand is that that the evolution of sexual reproduction is a genuinely thorny subject in evolutionary science. Dont take my word for it, research. It is something that professors of microbiology still struggle with - and thus it is not a matter of one being ignorant of evolution for one to raise it. I apologize for my words - I felt you were being too pompous and it really tires me when people are condescending about science. |
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wirinet: People with superior knowledge of evolution than you have made the same inquiries I am making. As for the rest of your post, if you cannot see the very simple issue raised, I have to leave it. Personally, I think on this matter, you are full of hot air and very shallow thought. |
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Botragelad: That it was not worth it does not justify this imperialistic Colonial Apartheid evil. |
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wirinet: Let me break this down. 1. In organisms that engage in sexual reproduction, the systems for such reproduction will have to be complete and complimentary in both sexes for any such reproduction to occur. 2. It is argued by evolutionists that the evolution of such systems takes millions of years. 3. During those "millions of years" how was the organism carrying on it's reproduction so as to arrive at the completeness of the very systems that it would have needed to reproduce and evolve during that same period? Are we clear now? 1 Like |
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FiveFootNinja: Thanks very much for this fair critique. Let me seize the opportunity to point out that religious dogma is far far worse. I do not subscribe to the myths contained in the Bible or Quoran for this reason. One more thing. When I say "creators or instigators" of this world, I generally mean that in a possible sense, and not in the sense that I know it for certain. I do not. Very little about the way this world came to be can be known for certain. 1 Like |
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As the article above is too long to be posted in entirety without being banned by the spambot, I post the conclusion. Conclusion Lewis Thomas, the highly regarded medical doctor who served for many years as the president and chancellor of the prestigious Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in Manhattan, was unable to contain either his enthusiasm or his praise for the system we know as âsexual reproduction.â In his book, The Medusa and the Snail, he wrote about the âmiracleâ of how one sperm cell forms with one egg cell to produce the cell we know as a zygote, which, nine months later, will become a newborn human being. He concluded: âThe mere existence of that cell should be one of the greatest astonishments of the earth. People ought to be walking around all day, all through their waking hours, calling to each other in endless wonderment, talking of nothing except that cell.... If anyone does succeed in explaining it, within my lifetime, I will charter a skywriting airplane, maybe a whole fleet of them, and send them aloft to write one great exclamation point after another around the whole sky, until all my money runs out.â[48] Dr. Thomasâ money is perfectly safe. No one has been able to explainâfrom an evolutionary viewpointâthe origin of sex, the origin of the incredibly complex meiotic process that makes sex possible, or the intricate development of the embryo (which is itself a marvel of design). At conception, the chromosomes inherited from the sperm are paired with the chromosomes inherited from the egg to give the new organism its full chromosomal complement. Evolutionary theorists ask us to believe that random, chance occurrences brought about this marvelously interdependent process of, first, splitting the genetic information into equal halves, and, second, recombining it through sexual reproduction. Not only is an intricate process required to produce a sperm or egg cell in the first place via meiosis, but another equally intricate mechanism also is required to re the genetic information during fertilization in order to produce the zygote, which will become the embryo, which will become the fetus, which eventually will become the newborn. The idea that all of this âjust evolvedâ is unworthy of consideration or acceptance, especially in light of the evidence now at hand. The highly complex and intricate manner in which the human body reproduces offspring is not a matter of mere chance or a âlucky role of the dice.â Rather, it is the product of an intelligent Creator. Albert Einstein said it well when he stated: âGod does not play dice with the universe.â http://www.trueorigin.org/sex01.asp Do make sure to go through the whole article! It is truly worthy reading! Oh, and here is the RESUME of the writers: Brad Harrub is a graduate of Kentucky Wesleyan College, where he earned a B.S. degree in biology. He also earned a Ph.D. in neurobiology and anatomy from the College of Medicine at the University of Tennessee in Memphis. He is a member of the Society for Neuroscience, and was listed in the 2001-2002 edition of Whoâs Who Among Scientists and Researchers. He was an invited speaker to the 2003 International Conference on Creationism. He currently serves as the Director of Scientific Information at Apologetics Press, and as associate editor of Reason & Revelation. Bert Thompson is a graduate of Abilene Christian University, where he earned a B.S. degree in biology. He also is a graduate of Texas A&M University, where he earned both M.S. and Ph.D. degrees in microbiology. Dr. Thompson is a former professor in the College of Veterinary Medicine at Texas A&M, where he taught for several years. While at Texas A&M, he served as Coordinator of the Cooperative Education Program in Biomedical Science. Currently, Dr. Thompson is the Executive Director of Apologetics Press and editor of Reason & Revelation. These gentlemen are Phd holders in Neurobiology and Microbiology. And they write and ask questions articulated on same posers as mine. 1 Like |
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Evolutionary Theories On Gender And Sexual Reproduction Š 2003 Brad Harrub, Ph.D. and Bert Thompson, Ph.D. Abstract The origin and maintenance of sex and recombination is not easily explained by natural selection. Evolutionary biology is unable to reveal why animals would abandon asexual reproduction in favor of more costly and inefficient sexual reproduction. Exactly how did we arrive at two separate genders-each with its own physiology? If, as evolutionists have argued, there is a materialistic answer for everything, then the question should be answered: Why sex? Is sex the product of a historical accident or the product of an intelligent Creator? The current article reviews some of the current theories for why sexual reproduction exists today. Yet, as these theories valiantly attempt to explain why sex exists now, they do not explain the origin of sex. We suggest that there is no naturalistic explanation that can for the origin and maintenance of sex. Introduction Biology texts illustrate amoebas evolving into intermediate organisms, which then give rise to amphibians, reptiles, mammals, and, eventually, humans. Yet, we never learn exactly when or how independent male and female sexes originated. Somewhere along this evolutionary path, both males and females were required in order to ensure the procreation that was necessary to further the existence of a particular species. But how do evolutionists explain this? When pressed to answer questions such as, âWhere did males and females actually come from?,â âWhat is the evolutionary origin of sex?,â evolutionists become silent. How could nature evolve a female member of a species that produces eggs and is internally equipped to nourish a growing embryo, while at the same time evolving a male member that produces motile sperm cells? And, further, how is it that these gametes (eggs and sperm) conveniently âevolvedâ so that they each contain half the normal chromosome number of somatic (body) cells? [Somatic cells reproduce via the process of mitosis, which maintains the speciesâ standard chromosome number; gametes are produced via the process of meiosis, which halves that number. We will have more to say about both processes later. The evolution of sex (and its accompanying reproductive capability) is not a favorite topic of discussion in most evolutionary circles, because no matter how many theories evolutionists conjure up (and there are several), they still must surmount the enormous hurdle of explaining the origin of the first fully functional female and the first fully functional male necessary to begin the process. In his book, The Masterpiece of Nature: The Evolution of Genetics and Sexuality, Graham Bell described the dilemma in the following manner: âSex is the queen of problems in evolutionary biology. Perhaps no other natural phenomenon has aroused so much interest; certainly none has sowed as much confusion. The insights of Darwin and Mendel, which have illuminated so many mysteries, have so far failed to shed more than a dim and wavering light on the central mystery of sexuality, emphasizing its obscurity by its very isolation.â[1] The same year that Bell released his book, well-known evolutionist Philip Kitcher noted: âDespite some ingenious suggestions by orthodox Darwinians, there is no convincing Darwinian history for the emergence of sexual reproduction.â[2] Evolutionists since have freely itted that the origin of gender and sexual reproduction still remains one of the most difficult problems in biology (see, for example, Maynard-Smith, 1986, p. 35). In his 2001 book, The Cooperative Gene, evolutionist Mark Ridley wrote (under the chapter title of âThe Ultimate Existential Absurdityâ): âEvolutionary biologists are much teased for their obsession with why sex exists. People like to ask, in an amused way, âisnât it obvious?â Joking apart, it is far from obvious.... Sex is a puzzle that has not yet been solved; no one knows why it exists. The full and thorough work is here: http://www.trueorigin.org/sex01.asp @ wirinet - You can see that this issue is not a matter of anyone not understanding evolution. Those who understand it know that this issue is a problem. |
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FiveFootNinja: It's not really about having a better theory because I accept the fundamentals of the ToE. I just acknowledge that it has unresolved issues. Being a person who believes in the spiritual though, I am inclined to believe in some sort of guided evolution as opposed to that which is strictly limited to natural selection. That is better able to help us with something as complicated as the evolution of the eye for example. Many times evolutionists hide behind the large expanses of time they say evolution occurs over in order to gloss over things that will actually be impossible even in an eternity of time without guidance. Finally let me stress that not even the guided evolution I believe in is perfect. I do not believe that the creators or instigators of this world are perfect either. 1 Like |
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wirinet: Many people who think they understand everything about evolution have the same unnecessary arrogance you have displayed here. If you don't touch upon the point that all of the evolution of complimentary sexual organs must have happened in a single generation then not only do you not understand the issue, but you haven't even started to address it. You mentioned that the evolution of sex is gradual. This could not be the case for one reason. Just tell me how there would have been successful reproduction during that gradual process with incomplete complementary reproduction systems? That's all you need to address and not whether you started studying evolution when you were two years old. This same arrogance of yours is what has caused many professors who have asked these questions to be fired by dogmatic academics in universities who cannot it that the ToE has problems. And by the way, this issue of sexual reproduction is just one problem of the ToE. There are other problems. I told you already I accept the ToE. But if you are one of those who think it has no unresolved issues, then you don't understand it as much as you think you do. 1 Like |
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Ebubu: Parliamentary immunity only resides with respect to statements made during the sessions of parliament. |
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wirinet: You cant just state that "a way to speed up evolution was required" and as such boom! Sexual reproduction appears on the scene. Sexual reproduction requires the simultaneous evolution in both male and female of complimentary sexual organs in a complete set, including mammary glands and all of this must happen in a single generation - which is impossible. Lest I have to explain why it must happen in a single generation, it is because no offspring will survive or even come into being at all if the whole complimentary reproductive male and female set is not complete! Is this lost on you? Can you now see the difficulty? 1 Like |
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wirinet: It doesn't address the problems. I articulated them in 12 posers above. 2 Likes |
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@ Wirinet - Here are the 12 posers I raised in that old thread. -------- The reason I think it is a glaring sore thumb, and the genuine source of the controversies: is the fact that these phenomena are in reality completely outside the purview of the principles girding the Theory of Evolution! Natural selection and mutation of the sort advanced by the Theory of Evolution actually have no bearing whatsoever on these phenomena: and that is the real reason that evolutionists struggle in such wild confusion to force these phenomena under the trappings of evolutionary theory even when the principles of evolution have no bearing on them! For your deep thinking please: 1. Why were the first unicellular organisms (which supposedly arose spontaenously from some pre biotic soup - [proposition not within ToE]) self replicating organisms at all? 2. If they were not self-replicating organisms, what factor led them to evolve the faculties of self replication at all. 3. If they were not self-replicating in nature, after first coming into existence, then they would have died, and the existence of any other such would depend on fresh flukes supposedly in some pre biotic soups. 4. Why is life self replicating at all? What s for this? 5. Further down the evolutionary path (and with great astonishing bounds and leaps of faith, I might add), why did se.xual organisms evolve? 6. In the case of se.xual organisms, which sex evolved first - male or female. Or did they evolve simultaenously, and how and why so? What evolutionary impetus drove this process, what caused this to happen at all. Or did females evolve from males only or males from females only or both from sexually neutral organisms? 7. Is it possible for a sexually neutral organism to evolve into two different and complimentary sexes? 8. Taken that separate sexes emerge, what evolutionary impetus drives and informs the aggregation of reproductive se.men in one sex while simultaneously driving the formation of a se.xual reproductive system complete with a womb in the other sex? 9. Further on, what evolutionary impetus would be responsible for the development of the pe.nis and testicles for the male, and simultaneously form the (ittedly eminently fit for purpose) va.gina and womb for the female? 10. What evolutionary process would cause the bodies to evolve such DNA transfer mechanisms as to be able to create the full copy of a complete creature through a se.xual process? What evolutionary impetus leads to this? What evolutionary explanation would there be for the coming to existence of umbilical cords? 11. What evolutionary pressure at the same time as all this also led to the formation of mammary glands (br.easts) for the female only, suitable for the nutrition of new born babies? 12. Where it is explained that men and women have all the foregoing se.xual differences on of differences in hormones, what evolutionary explanation is there for the difference in hormones in the first place? And with this last question bear in mind that if they were not male and female already, there would be no separate male and female needs to drive such evolution of separate and different hormonal systems ab initio! A careful dwelling on each of these questions from the standpoint of the holistic supposed process of evolution - and in line with the principles of evolution as taught, is that which you guys need to do: and therewith see with immediate clarity that which I contend, namely that these are phenomena completely outside the purview of any evolutionary principles whatsoever, which is why they do not have any possible evolutionary explanation. 1 Like |
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wirinet: I am not sure you have reflected on the process. It's highly questionable that male organs would evolve to exactly complement female organs to complete sexual reproduction, aside from the small problem of the fact that it would have to happen simultaneously to be valid. I raised the critical questions years ago here - https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/1571602/evolution-sexes-sexxual-reproduction |
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Omoawoke: Thumbs up. |
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wirinet: Yahweh and Allah are pretty nasty pieces of work but I must tell you, Greek gods are absolutely capricious. When one reads Greek mythology, one wonders how anyone could ever have worshipped entities as wicked and callous as they are described. |
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correctguy101: That guy is a sore trial. Daft beyond compare. |
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wirinet: I said aspects. I agree the central premises hold. One of such aspects is the evolution of sexual reproduction. |
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