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Interestingly most of the time most people no dey reference their sources oooo. . Na those firsthand guys suppose dey complain.

charlesemeka85:
u dey mind asslickers wey dey reason from their anus?

Like say no be almost the sources online na wey all of us dey get news and tips on players

Maybe e get those wey Fabrizio,lurkhurst and co they email info to privately

Supremacy n reference my flat ass

My brother, shame no dey catch you? 2 starts na stat? You have a good point though, most of his goals in the premier league in the 2020/2021 season came when he started, in which case Rodgers about half the time was deploying the 3-5-2 formation, which clearly allows Iheanacho to be accommodated. Your personnel and your opponents determine what formations are most suitable, however, based on a coach's philosophy which is open to revision, you may see one formation more often in a particular season. Anyway, you have been dodging the important point. If you say someone has earned the right to play, it has to be relative to others in the pool. Many a time Rodgers fields one striker upfront, so has Iheanacho earned the right to play over Vardy? Very simple.

Danielnino00:


That theory was already put to test in 2020/2021 season....We all know the outcome..

2 starts in the league this season, 2 goals, 2 assists..

I am here for the gbas gbos as always.

What is wrong with you my brother?

This is not a journal, neither is it Pubpeer.

This is the wrong place to look for organization.

I don't understand this na me first talk am brouhaha. No be one place you self go collect that information?

This is not a place to prove your superior intelligence. Na for your pocket. This is a place to have fun. Start fight, end it and move on to another one. .

Nobody is referencing anybody. If I like your submission and/or I am critical of it, I will mention you. Very simple. Don't turn this place to an academic institution, abeg.

Meliforme:


It is good to make references.
It is good to give credit to whom it is due.

If a moniker was the first to give a report about a certain player, any other moniker giving a subsequent report should build on the previous report especially if aware a previous report.
It makes this thread look organised, it shows teamwork, it also helps research.

You too get wahala. Make we win something first before you talk.

charlesemeka85:
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No, it's not. The usefulness of a theory is in its ability to stand the test of time. No matter how terrible a player is they'll have their moments(shocks in their data stream). Whether this is one of those shocks or not will be determined by an accumulation of games. We will revisit this issue when we acquire 10 more data points(games). It's strange to argue that someone earns a right based on one game, as in 'when Rodgers benches him in the next game, you will come and tell us Iheanacho didn't earn the right to start'. Oh yes, it would be fair to argue he hasn't earned the right based on accumulated data and even though Vardy is obviously spent(1 goal in 20 games is terrible), he will probably still sit on the bench. This is not too difficult a question. Should Brendan take the risk of starting Iheanacho over a healthy Vardy going forward? The answer however is complicated. Vardy had a total of 17 G/A in 25 games in the premier league last season. Coaches have to make tough decisions too.

Danielnino00:


At the bolded, that theory is in effect at this moment!

When Rodgers bench him in the next game,you will come and tell us that Iheanacho didn't earn the right to start....

I apologize for that exaggeration. . But it should be for Iheanacho, after all, he's really good.

jihday:
why ? Thought playing against league 1 farmers is easy and can guarantee you a[b] hattrick[/b]?

The logic of your argument has to come from comparing them. So I don't follow your "there's no comparison, just logic".

And I apologize to everyone including Jihday. I wasn't well aware of Daka's exploits. And the hat trick was kind of an exaggeration .

Interestingly, Daka actually buttresses our point. I thank him for bringing it up. The 24-year-old Zambian was rewarded for his previous performances. On the face of it, he's doing better than Iheanacho. For the record, Daka came in 2021. The man scored 5 in 6 Europa games( he scored 4 in one game, and Ihenacho assisted two of them). Daka's contributions per minute was definitely better than Ihenacho's in that tournament( they started together in many of those games).

In the premier league last/this season his contributions per minute are better too(although it's close for last season). So of course any reasonable coach would start Daka over Iheanacho if his shape requires one striker up front. If you need two you play both of them, at least in the secondary competitions. If you want to replace Vardy of course you choose Daka over Iheanacho.

Finally, it's not new that you have strikers coming in to replace the main striker and scoring goals. No coach who knows their stuff decides to switch their places unless it's consistent. Even in many cases, when you start substitute players they misfire. This means perhaps coming in as a substitute is how they can flourish.

Unfortunately for Iheanacho, he's a substitute of a substitute. Very sad. . And yes I repeat it again, Iheanacho is on a decline. A better player is getting more minutes. Very reasonable decision.

mostob:
There is no comparison, just logic. Since Nacho has to score hattrick against 4th tier side to impress you, why didn't Saka who started the match score too? Nacho was just on for 5 minutes before he scored.

Are you serious? Are you comparing Iheanacho to Daka now? Shame no even dey catch you.

jihday:
Daka started yesterday’s game I wonder why he didn’t score at least 1 goal before Iheanacho came to rescue them. I really hope you guys are just joking with these football takes because sometimes it sound very ridiculous

. Unbelievable. If you dey play against fourth-tier teams you better score. Even 1 goal is not impressive. He should be scoring a hat trick.

charlesemeka85:
𝟭𝟳 𝗚𝗢𝗔𝗟𝗦

NO active player in the world has more FA Cup goals than Kelechi Iheanacho

FA cup goat 🤣

I know some pundits/football analysts can be annoying and damn sometimes outrageous with their takes, but at least quote one of those in your submissions, not some random person on Twitter whose statements only remotely aligns with your opinion .

Now Leicester is to blame for his bad performances? Of course, it always comes down to the fact that their teams are just damn bad. Shame no even dey catch you to talk am. . You come still get mouth to talk say him salary na 90K, so no team go take am, without acknowledging that salary is in general based on performance from one year to another. You cannot understand that no other team in the premier league thinks he's playing 90K football.

Besides, when someone posts something on Twitter, check references and be sure the stats are useful before you post them.
Attached are Iheanacho's stats at Leicester starting from 2017/2018. The most important stats are his goals in the premier league. Sorry, I don't take his goals against league 1 and championship teams in the EFL cup seriously. If you are that good score against your mates in the Premier League. As you can see his minutes per G/A are 137.2, 185.2, 106.9, 104, 139.9, and 144.5. I could only attach four pictures. You can check the rest yourself. You can see an improvement between 2017/2018 and 2020/2021 seasons and a decline after the 2020/2021 season.

TheGoodJoe:
Impressive stats for Iheanacho but from what I am reading, he is on £90k a week and it is hard for clubs to meet that, going by his current rating.

He needs to take a massive pay cut to get a team with a good system to give him the run of games he deserves to prove himself

How many Nigerian adults are 6ft tall? Not to talk of 15-year olds. There's only one thing you need to do. Think and think about your statement before you post. I cannot believe you posted this with so much confidence. Incredible

codemaniacs:


must you make such comment..

Athletes have to eat more than the average person. spend more time in the gym, more time doing exercises than the average so their bodies will naturally look more mature than their peers...

when I did NYSC about 10 years ago.. there was a 15 years old guy that was 6ft tall with small beard and more mature face than his classmates....

Its about genetics..

If Tella, Eze, Olise were born and bred in Nigeria.. you guys will say they are in their 30s.

This is why I say you are not a serious person. He mentioned heavy Possession-based, but did he say heavy possession-based means tiki-taka? You are not serious at all. Nobody who knows their onions says heavy Possession-based means tiki-taka. It simply means the system requires that players keep over 60% of the possession. I Van Gaal at Man Utd was keeping over 60% of possession consistently, but no one who knows their football would say it was tiki-taka. The very interesting person you are. You don't seem to understand that articles can be riddled with exaggerations. You have to actually read the entire thing to understand and see through the ruse. All you look for is an emphasis. Do you understand that the use of such words can be quite misleading?

Besides does anyone know a system better than the person using it? I showed you an article where Kompany in his interview with Ferdinand, said he would rather call my system "Possession with impact", not Possession tikitaka. Pls, do not tell me you know Kompany's system better than he does, cos that would be quite interesting.

TheGoodJoe:


I clearly used the term (Possession heavy football). There is a reason for the term heavy. I posted an excerpt from Quora and he clearly used the term heavy.

Possession Heavy football is tiki-taka. Then we have different variants of it. Guardiola's tiki-taka is the base. Then coaches learning it and adapting their strategies to it led to the variants of tiki-taka.

Finito.

Another simple question. This a question I believe one of our friends asked you. Is every possession-based system tiki-taka?

TheGoodJoe:


I have made it easy for you and I have connected as easily as you can ever get.

Possession heavy football is Guardiola's gift to modern day football. Anyone you see doing it today studied him and Drew from him.

In a nutshell, with possession heavy football gaining popularity, tiki taka is not dying.

I have clarified enough. The only thing you can do now is go through my post and tell me if there are points that are wrong.

I have given a good summary to bring you up to speed.

Are you afraid to say Kompany deploys tiki-taka? . What the hell does similar mean? The article says having seen Pep's methods for four years, Kompany employs a heavy possession system. No comments on whether it's tiki-taka or not. Again there are several systems that are possession-based but quite different from tiki-taka.

TheGoodJoe:


Just a simple Google search will answer your question.

The image below reveals something critical that J talked about earlier. Possession heavy which is a term I coined. You can see theanalyst using a similar term, Heavily possession based. That is a system Guardiola made famous and influenced it.

Kompany is a possession heavy football coach, which is pure Guardiola.

O yes, I do. But we can hope sometimes, can't we? . I know say you no dey too waste time.

Mujtahida:

Why should you 'win' the argument. Therein lies the need to play you tiki taka. Hope you get my point

I will ask again and I want you to say it for everyone to hear. You no dey answer questions straight. Before you write another essay, read my question carefully. Your entire here did not connect Kompany's system to tiki-taka. You are only trying to demonstrate you know what he deployed at Anderlecht and now at Burnley. We can discuss that another time. However, that's not the question at all. The question is does Kompany deploy tiki-taka? Pls answer Yes or No, then explain.

TheGoodJoe:


Look at this excerpt from the article you posted, and look at this comment I made in March 2021. It shows where Kompany got the 4-4-2 variation to his play from and will make you understand how deeply I understand this systems.

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The front four

In possession, Anderlecht’s formation looked more like 4-2-4 or 4-2-2-2 because Kompany gives his four attacking players the licence to roam and float.

A problem Burnley had with the 4-4-2 system was the disconnect between midfield and attack, with their two strikers isolated. Kompany is keen to avoid that — his wide midfielders tend to operate centrally and more closely to the forwards.

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https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/3018619/super-eagles-thread-road-afcon/10335#100102172

This will enable understand how in-depth I am with this stuff.

Finito.

Unfortunately, i have come to understand that you are not straightforward in your arguments. You are very evasive. If you ask me a question, I will answer and add some meat. You don't do that. You provide answers to a different set of questions. That's not good in any debate. It would be unfruitful. I go into an argument hoping to make headway. So if we have to have a debate about tikitaka, there has to be an understanding that we are talking about the same things, and as I usually say if we don't, we will keep talking past each other. I asked that because I wanted to know what your prototypical tiki-taka system was. You seem to throw out tiki-taka anytime a system is possession-based, in which case there are other systems that are possession--based but not tiki-taka. Besides Pep has long drifted away from the system he had at Barcelona. Kompany actually never itted his system is tiki-taka. Attached is a snippet of a report by Athletic. Kompany clearly doesn't want to identify with tikitaka. And of course his system is possession-based too.

https://theathletic.com/3344962/2022/06/20/vincent-kompany-burnley/

Again you are not listening. The question is not whether Arteta played in a Barcelona system or not, the question is, does he deploy tiki-taka as Arsenal's manager? That his system is possession-based is not in question, but is it tiki-taka? Again what system is the prototypical tiki-taka or is close enough?

TheGoodJoe:


You literally just rant and have zero experience in football debates. If you disagree with a point, you pick it up and dissect it to prove the person wrong. You don't ask questions. For instance, when you say working with someone does not mean the person subscribes to it, you list an area why you think the person does not subscribe to it.

Learn how to break points.

Arteta:
Actually was in Barcelona academy when Guardiola played the midfield of Barcelona main team. He grew up learning the exact role Guardiola played and played that same role.

When Arteta finished his coaching school, he had offers but chose Manchester City because he wanted to work with Guardiola. So, he definitely subscribes to Guardiola's philosophy.

Xavi:
Xavi already explained how he learnt a lot from Guardiola's coaching time and how they share the same philosophy. So you can not say Xavi does not subscribe to it.

Kompany:
Before he even started coaching, in an interview, he expressed he has learnt everything in Guardiola's coaching pattern. I took it as a joke but man, he seems a replica.

With the points raised, you can see they all subscribe to Pep's philosophy.

I did not need to ask you one question.

Finito.

I only see Pep here, He's certainly not the only one. Pls mention them, don't hide. .

Why do you consistently deploy these tactics? Stop inventing your own questions and answering them. Answer the question.

And Komekn has a point, the fact that someone played or worked as an assistant coach under someone else doesn't mean they subscribe to their system.

So for clarity, apart from Pep list all the coaches whose systems closely mirror the tiki-taka system. I am waiting. Let's check your knowledge of tikitaka. . Let's start from Del Bosque.

TheGoodJoe:


LOL.

When Pep took Tiki Taka to another level, destroying some of the best coaches in the game. There were very limited coaches using the system.

The system was in its infancy with respect to the philosophy Pep was pushing, so from that perspective, hence very few coaches were using it, are you saying the system was dead?

This your question is the height of irrelevance. Number of coaches using is not in direct relation to its efficacy.

The best way to judge is the growth of the system and how coaches are adapting to it and succeeding.

You have seen disciples growing with it. That is a direct proof that the system is not dying.

LOL. 14 years ago.

You don start with your evasiveness. List the coaches in the top 5 leagues in Europe that have consistently deployed tiki-taka in the last 14 years.

TheGoodJoe:


I didn't ask you one question to make my point. By the way, the system is not dying if the current Champions of the Premier League are using the system and won the league four times in five seasons.

It is not by how many but how effective.

Finito.

You did not get the joke. I didn't intend to post any article. How many top 4 teams in the top 5 major leagues use tiki-taka? Don't use stats "they are taking over", "top of the league" blablabla. . Bullshit. The season is not over. Come to me at the end of the season when we have a better picture. Before we continue, how many coaches in the past 10 years have consistently deployed the tiki-taka system?

TheGoodJoe:

Why do you like asking questions? Just make your point. By the way, I wonder where you got your far far better. Either way, post your article let me read and give you a , if you can't do the same.

By the way, dead or dying is not true.

I was asking on behalf of one of our friends here. Na una get files on top these people. Na only Osimhen many of us know.

charlesemeka85:
Terem Moffi

Finally, something you can say something about. . Nobody said it's dead. Dying and dead are not the same. . Do I need to provide any article to this? Is there even any system that dies? They mostly evolve. Our point is that the tag 'far far above other systems' is no longer the case. There are other systems just as effective if not more.

TheGoodJoe:
And some people think Tiki taka is dying.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ML-Dr3g3Zk

Why do some of us resort to this? Always, na whiteman dey cheat us.

Philosopher1979:


Nwakali will collect the midfield from party. that match against atletico Madrid. The white man is lying to us that nwakali is not good enough it is time we proved them wrong.

Who is Moffi?

charlesemeka85:
But our players are doing well in Europe’s top league this season

Osimhen- excellent
Lookman- excellent
Moffi- excellent
Onuachu- excellent
Iwobi- good
Samu- good
Onyedika- good
Awoniyi- average(though his first season in epl)
Bassey- good
Alhassan- average
Osayi- good
Zaidu- good (prior to his injury)
Bruno- good
Ndidi- average( just returned from injury)
Akpoguma- average
Ebuehi- average
Simon- good


My personal rating so far

Are you alright? Ban me for what exactly? If you no know wetin you dey talk, no mention person name.

codemaniacs:


he abuses in subtle manners and must not be kept free from abuses...

If I was the mod him and benji would have been banned ...

it is an abomination to come to a Nigerian sports forum and denigrate Nigerian players especially the ones born and groomed in Nigeria..

We dey enjoy your olman vibes too. . Thank you for reminding youngees that there are players and there were players.

Kog45:
Ha Oga Komekn quoted me... you,my good man thegoodjoe and benji93 na run I dey run for una here o.. una strength in written no be here o.

The bolded one caught my eye. Is it that I made claims years ago that were unfounded(or you just couldn't understand)? or I have made loads of claims over the years that are unfounded(i.e you did not understand)? Which is which? . You seem to have a penchant for ambiguity.

MainJoe:


He has come with another lie without no shred of evidence. If you can go back this thread to years, you will read him making claims of things he has no idea about.

See talk. Cocktail vitamins. Lol. If that was possible, 40 players out of 16 U17 players will not fail MRI wrist scan. Cameroon just recorded 32 failures. Logic shows your theory is bent beyond reasonable proportion.

The golden eaglets doctor is talking fusion from grade 4 to grade 6 in months and you guys are trying to sell cheap lies of fusion in years.

Men the theory is fake and bogus. Just bin it and think of a new lie.

ONLY LINUS KNOWS MORE THAN WORLD RENOWNED RADIOLOGISTS.

That would be quite petty. Hatred on steroids.

BascoVanVeli:



Algerians are also player haters. They fired a reporter for reporting that Morocco made it to the semifinals of the world cup.

If this is not pure wickedness I don't know what it is. . You collect him girlfriend ni?

Killrhymz01:
Who is the Abeg, almost two years now

Again, how many? That is the one-million-dollar question. It's not a common thing. Did I not it that even actual 16-year-olds can have complete fusion? The article proper clearly mentions one case. I am not denying that you could have an actual 17-year-old failing the test. That would be quite ignorant.

I am talking about averages here. I can see you now know where my argument is going, the reason why you are now skirting around. You previously mentioned them and I asked you, how many cases in a given sample.? The question is what happens on average? I mean for instance in a sample of 100 16-year-olds, if 5 of them fail the test, it would be fruitless to argue the five. Oh yes I know the five, but you make decisions based on averages first, then you try to see if you can accommodate the others. Very simple. That's the direction statistics take. Otherwise, there would be no need to calculate the mean, standard deviation e.t.c.

I never said the Ghanaian article is not Ok. I actually hail them for highlighting the issues with respect to the data they collected, but yet you cannot ignore those issues, they significantly affect the accuracy of the Protocol.

And I agree it's taken an extended period of time so it's gone stale. I hail you for continuing this conversation, without evading clear arguments(even though you caused some problems ), unlike our mutual friend. . Hopefully, others get something from this. So I will make my final point and you can do with it what you want.

I previously argued from the article proper an average age of 18 for stage V, Which doesn't include Sub-Saharan Africans. If you include the fact that SA is lower than CA for a Sub-Saharan African country, which means the MRI age lags behind the chronological age, the 18 average goes up to about 20+ for Sub-Saharan African countries.

The reasons suggested by the Malawian study, i.e Malaria and Diarrhea are common in Sub-Saharan Africa, malaria especially, so that doesn't pose a serious problem for the argument.

Also, the Malawian study is more useful in this discussion because it didn't center its sampling on Players. They essentially almost eliminated the main problem that would pollute their data. I believe it's the reason they were able to discover the lag.

I one of the conclusive remarks of the Ghanaian study. A comprehensive study on Black Africans without the incentive to lie needs to be conducted to be able to properly grade their fusions. As it stands the plus or minus of the use of the MRI on Sub-Saharan Africa is certainly uncertain. The study is needed to narrow down the range and properly quantify it, so you can say, for instance, it has an accuracy of 85% +-5%. As it stands all you can say is it screens out the Old papas. .

Anyways thank you. Maybe we can get back to discussing Tikitaka now. That's a more enjoyable conversation.

Odunayaw:
He is a reason why even with the obvious issue of self reportage, the Ghanian research is very acceptable in my estimation.

We've had Nigerian heritage, US born boys fail this test even with verifiable documents

What do you say to that regard?

I think I have lost steam for this discussion because of the length of time it has taken

Did the Ghanaian study mention the factors that may be responsible for the difference in chronological and skeletal age? I may have missed it, pls point it out to me. Meanwhile, it's common knowledge that malaria is widespread in West Africa. A serious public health problem here.

Also, can you see the Ghanaian study itting the limits of their studies? Very, very important in any study. A useful study its the errors and discusses the sources. I salute them for this. The chronological ages were self-reported. You cannot trust it because it's coming from players.

Also, can you see what I was talking about earlier in the form of a digression ? Their conclusion was that the prediction of age by measuring the degree of fusion of the wrist, which is essentially what the MRI does may lack the accuracy needed until a comprehensive study is done on Black Africans who have no reason to lie. You should not even conduct it on players. It would be bad. There's an incentive to hide your true age.

Odunayaw:
The bone is younger than the date

Malaria is widespread but one would expect that factor to also affect the Ghanian research too

Now that's a good point. But wait, do we not have those issues in Nigeria? Is malaria not widespread in Nigeria? Or across west Africa for that matter?
But before this can you tell us what "SA is lower than CA" means?

Odunayaw:
But in the Malawian study this was given