NewStats: 3,265,468 , 8,186,807 topics. Date: Sunday, 15 June 2025 at 05:48 AM 6l6t2k

freshcvvs:


Not mentally impaired. There are people who love a bit of pain just as we have some people who love "rough sex", trying to stereotype them to score cheap points won't help you. They are not mentally impaired, rather love different things.

freshcvvs:


We have people who starve themselves, harm their bodies [/b]and [b]even talk down on themselves, if this set of people should practise that "command", won't they hurt their neighbors?

Man, above is your original post!!! Why are you employing clever deceitful veil by changing your own words?

How's harming one's body and starving one's self becomes " loving a bit of pain"?

Seems you're not only looking to score cheap points but also having retrograde Amnesia too.

You contradict yourself even without pressure.

I will rest it here, no more response as your submissions are devoid of consistent substance to even argue with

freshcvvs:


We have people who starve themselves, harm their bodies and even talk down on themselves, if this set of people should practise that "command", won't they hurt their neighbors?

Are you talking of those who are mentally impaired?

Apply logic please. If you're to apply Seun's principles then those who stab themselves do worse to fellow man.

You see, your argument is a logical fallacy

Seun:



Loving your neighbour as yourself is impossible with or without religion. It's also undesirable. Put yourself first, but be considerate of others too.

Loving your neighbour as yourself is golden in what it seeks to achieve and streamline human conducts. That's what socialism strive for. Capitalist will cry foul of course

In the religious context, that imploration shouldn't be taken literally; you should know that. it simple beckons us to do onto others what we wouldn't wish to be the object of.

Seun:



I think the effect of charity is key. If you were starving and I gave you food with no strings attached, you wouldn't care about my motive.

if you have me food while I was starving with no string attached then your motive is pure, selfless. Modern charity is like sponsorship! E.G Mercedes auto company agrees to sponsor an event an in return gets free publication and ment. African countries get enough sponsorship from German leprosy NGO and otherWestern NGO, in return they set up shops with their multinationals almost tax free wothout due process.

The effect isn't key, what we're gauging here is morality, Seun, and morality doesn't care for your action but motive.

Seun:




Having a uniform code of behaviour is not ideal. It's better for different societies to try different things in order to find out what works better.

True, but the world has got a single court and humans can be at one end of the world today and another end the next day!

A uniform code of conduct is inevitable at the long run .

Isn't it why there are wars the world over today?

Seun:



What? That's not true. Many of the world's richest individuals, who don't follow any religious codes, have pledged their entire wealth to charity.

The motive behind charity is key. Bill gates gives to charity because he makes money from people. It's a business etiquette. Some other billionaires do so to assuage their conscience guilt. Charity given most times is still another effort to attain clean business heritage and reputation too.

Seun:





Theories can be tested. The ones that stand up to scrutiny should be adopted. That's how science works. That's how modern courts work.

Men can never be reconciled to a uniform code of behaviour without a higher moral authority. It will only breed fear, suspension and conspiracy. E.gHomosexuality, marriage, etc.

Seun:



Loving your neighbour as yourself is extremely wrong. You should love yourself most, followed by your family, and then all other human beings.

You just confirmed man is incapable of selfless codes of moral conducts.

That imploration--love your neighbour as yourself-- can never be conceived by men, but therein lies the greatest act of selflessness the world should strive to attain.

johnydon22:


Starkly untrue and i will show how



From the post Soldiers that protect the colony, queens, workers and many more [size=20]but for our tale we will focus on the workers.[/size]

It was obvious that the 'Ant analogy' was based on the workers, behaviourial tendencies and collective approach.



Religious basis for morality presents the very apex of selfish propulsion for ethical actions, it subtly proposes an ethical position gunned towards posthumous reward [Paradise] or evasion of posthumous torture [hell].

The actions of the individual is severed from the "need" for ethical actions towards individuals or the society but rather as a greedy means to secure a posthumous end.

That is the height of greed, selfishness and cannot ever be considerately equated with anything near "selflessness".

Here is another tale.

Mr A is in need of Bread, he calls John and asks him to buy a bread for him but John is unwilling to undertake the tasks, he may directly reject or have an indifferent approach towards the request.

Mr A calls John again, brings out a #100 note and promises to give John the money as a reward if he carries out the task, John immediately agrees to the task.
In this scenario, John was not motivated into helping Mr A because he wanted to but for the selfish end of getting a #100 note

Mr A calls John on a second instance, brings out his whip and promises John 100 strokes if he refuses to carry out his request, John also fearfully carries out the task
this scenario also show cases a selfish motive behind John's action, he didn't go because he wanted to, he did so because he was afraid of Mr A's wrath therefore wanted only to save his skin

On a last instance Mr B calls Seun and request he helps him get some bread, Seun carries out the task.
seun unlike John had no reward or punishment option roped around the request, he did Mr B the favour sorely because he wanted to and not because of a "reward" or evasion of a "punishment" as an end

This sorely represents the position of religious moral influence

There are many moral philosophies but to add a nudge towards comformity to these moral lines of action religion proposes a selfish end

Heaven and hell, reward and punishment.

Just like John from the analogy up there, A religiously influenced moral tilt is not fueld by selflessness as you want to argue - but rather a basic means to a selfish end "securing heaven or evading hell"

It is in fact a reluctant approach towards ethical actions that needs 'selfish' nudges in order to be exhibited.

It shows most ethical behaviours as a result of Religious influences in essense cannot be equated as selfless goodness but only a selfish means of gaining a personal goal, take away these "reward and punishment" idea and such a person's moral inclination is severed.

The religious influence of morality makes morality a coercive project - the average religious person does not do 'good' or follow the certain line of moral positions tendered by such a religion because h wants to, he does that only because he wants to Gain a paradise or escape a hell

Here is a first hand example

Here is Malvisguy who holds the idea that you need a God who'd hold you "able" before you try not to be a complete sicko serial killer.

A basis for morality based on such not only "selfish" ends but also 'disturbing' concepts are in themselves 'immoral'

Human ethical behaviours should be above such shallow infleunces.

Hmn, what long narrative! You're still employing selective and evasive narration?

Why are you limiting your argument to the actions of soldier ants? Aren't their motive, intent and thought process necessary? Isn't that the crux of morality?

The soldier ants select productive queens to channel their resources towards and the ant queens releases chemical substances in manipulating these soldier ants into loyalty as they won't be totally loyal to an unproductive queen!

Did I see a slelfish motive in soldier ants there? Yes I did.

Even the queen ant will sacrifice her colony to retain throne.

Please allow me burst your selfless soldier ant theory;
All of the workers and soldiers are sisters as with the queen! The ultimate motivation is to secure the gene line by protecting the queen who's the only one to reproduce and carry on their genes to the next generation!

So there's a selfish motivation of looking out only for their own and future.

Religion advocates empathy for all irrespective of differences.

Your heaven/hell theory doesn't hold because not all religion has a metaphysical reward of eternity.

And even those that do, eg, Christianity and Islam look at the motive and purity of heart and not actions.

So if one does good acts to escape hell and make heaven but conceive evil , he will be denied the reward!

Bottom line, your ant analogy doesn't work.

Seun:
Nice post by johnydon22. It seems as if everyone agrees with you. One big issue with religious morality is that it's based on outdated books.

Only religious codes of morality encourage and stipulate for a selfless morality.

Johnydon22's analysis with ants is gravely flawed.

Behind the queen ant's action is deception, manipulation and selfishness no better or worse than man's.

He skillfully did selective analysis.

Without religious codes, man's motive becomes selfish and his theories are only as good or worse than another man's.

Only religious ethics puts man in a place of objective and selfless action,eg; "love your neighbour as yourself"

Joseph1832, you never asked that compulsive, backstabbing, psychopathic, beachcombing, nature's excessive redundancy if he was changing his SUV tyres right in the middle of the express way.

Poverty-enveloped, masquerading debauchee!!!!

KingEbukaNaija:
Behold a liar and deceiver Truthman13

This Nairalander obviously created this alternate on May 20 , 2016 with one thing at the back of his mind to LIE and DECEIVE !

Apparently , this Nairalander whoever he is , is a fan of UFO conspiracy theories . We know lots of atheists on this same platform who have repeatedly told us that bible stories are proofs of alien visitations .

[size=14pt]Proof1 : [/size]

Here is his first topic a controversial one he created before his supposed deconversion : https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/3117143/aliens-bible

Why would a new Nairalander create such tendentious post just minutes after becoming a member of this forum ?

Anyway , Truthman13 gave himself away cheaply after he opened this thread . People who view biblical stories as proofs of alien visitations or alien activities on earth are not Christians . This is clear proof that this liar was an atheist before the said deconversion . A popular atheist who always talks about alien stories in the bible is ifenes .


[size=14pt]Proof2 : [/size]

Truthman created a second topic of course to his views of biblical alien visitations

https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/3163088/prophet-yahweh-summons-yahweh-out

And wow , guess who showed up on his thread to his views ? Ifenes !!!



Plus Truthman83 , asked this question



Why should a Christian ask this question This is an atheist - an aficionado of alien stories - asking we Christian to explain what went on in the videos he posted . The above post was made on Aug 11 - 5 days before he announced his deconversion .

[size=14pt]Proof3 : [/size]

Truthman83 denigrates Yahweh in his new Topic which was posted on July 18 . How can a Christian conspicuously denigrate his God And this was one month before the "deconversion" . Another proof he is an atheist who just didn't play his cards well

[size=14pt]Proof4 : [/size]
With just 14 posts , 2 hours on Nairaland and 3 topics , truthman83 made this claim on the thread he announced his deconverison .



With just 14 posts and over 2 hours online as a member of this site who started off with controversial topics ing his views of alien visitations in the bible , truthman83 claimed that he has watched debates between Christians and atheists and Christians don't make sense in their debates against the atheists !!! With just 2 hours online .

Do you see the kind of dirty tricks these atheists play ? This was created with the sole purpose of making this announcement . Truthman83 is a popular Nairalander who created this alternate for that purpose !!!

And the announcement of his deconversion was made just a day (Aug 16) after thesixthsense denounced atheism and recanted his opinions against God !!! The atheists were simply trying to get back at Christians

Voila people of God !!! The deceit of the atheists have been exposed

Thanks to Strawman for pointing this out to me , God bless you bro



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This is proof beyond reproach!!!

I think atheists in this forum are a bunch of insecure, blooming weirdos fighting a God they say doesn't exist.

I think they see this God more than even Christians do. Dirty little-minded buffoonish lunatics who spend their whole time fighting and scheming for what they say is a non entity.

The mind of an atheist most be one sorrow factory producing hallucinations, deceit and empty void at market rates.

Rounakid:
1) He Does'nt Bother More About Your Appearance.
Is every compliment from him about your different part of body? It doesn't matter how creative he can be, if a guy's sole focus is on how you look, or 'talking dirty,' see it as a red flag. A real man will value your personality, your kindness, your intelligence, and who you are as a person, in general. The things he makes you feel good about will be things that you control, not just results of getting lucky in the gene pool.
2)He will never be intimidated by your motivation.
A man who has goals for himself, will want to be with a woman who has goals for her own life, too. He will never feel intimidated or threatened by a woman who goes after what she wants. He will want to be part of a power couple, rather than a dictatorship. Be mindful of anyone who tries to keep you from pursuing your dreams.
3)He will have more interests than just you.
I don't mean this in a negative way. You should, of course, be a priority in his life -- but he needs to have a life as well. Interests, friends, hobbies, aspirations. If a man works his entire life around you, it's another red flag -- relationships should be a great part of your life, but not encom your whole life.
4)He will always provide answer in any situation
No matter how awkward or uncomfortable a situation is, a real man will approach it, and you, with respect. I have always felt that a mark of a man is how he handles conflict, criticism, and less-than-ideal situations. A man will not dance around answers or make excuses. If there is something you two need to talk about, he will talk about it.
5)A real man is always straightfoward.
In addition to the last point there will be no mind games or manipulation in your relationship. A man will be direct, to the point, and honest with you... but with kindness.
6)His Trust in you.
As long as you haven't betrayed his trust, a man will NOT be paranoid, or snoop around invading your privacy to make sure you're not doing anything bad. He will have confidence in your relationship. A boy will project his own insecurities onto you, and like termites in a house, will eat away at the foundation of what you've built.
7)He shower shower you deserved respect.
Nothing signifies an empty shell of a man more than someone who disrespects women, animals, or children. A real man will treat you with the respect that you deserve, never force you to do anything you're uncomfortable with, and never mistreat you. Be honest enough with yourself to walk away from any situation that is dangerous to you, physically or emotionally.
His unstoppable effort in the relationship.
Boys are generally apathetic and just look for one thing from a woman. A man, will do what it takes to make you happy, both inside and outside of the bedroom. Your happiness, is his reward.
9)He will make you want to be the best version of yourself, without changing who you really are.
A man will empower those around him. He will strive for greatness and therefore inspire others to strive for it as well. This not only includes friends and co-workers, but also significant others.
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Another dozens of relationship prescription that's far from reality and practicability.

Nice

Imithea:

Why would anyone think I'm him?

Perception differs.

Cherlene:


Mmmmm...

That convo was short and brief but I felt I have known you a considerable part of my life already.

How's your day going?

Imithea:

Jeez!
Seriously?
If you think I'm M.UVA, then my previous assertions were correct, you are dumb, dumber than fvck.

Cc
Joseph.1832
Le.zz/Lez.zlie

A honest mistake there if I may add.

Cherlene:


?

I'm he who was smitten by your charms and good graces on Saturday

Cherlene:

I meet you again

danaiks:



http://tribuneonlineng.com/trumps-musings-nigeria/

It was obvious from the start it wasn't Trump!

TheNonce:



That jamb writing bonobo monkey has deactivated his saintsamuraii ! I made sure he got a 1 year ban! Lmfao!!!



Maybe there is "mod justice" after all!

Loooooolz .

Thanks bro, I appreciate!

firstEVA:
Erroneous assertion, our votes counted during the last election, even the power of incumbency did not bring back jonathan.

would it make any difference if the sun wasn't scorching? Rigging still takes place, but if you compare the last elections to previous elections, you will see that although we are not there yet, we are definitely on our way there.

. Grudgingly you just don't want to vote

Thanks

that's why I said moral right you disenfranchise yourself, it's wrong
I understand, by the time things get better, I believe you will see things differently

The last election was spectacularly rigged by the incumbent and his successor!

Bornu state which has one of the highest internally displaced people with her citizens dispersed to southern Cameroon and other states of Nigeria recorded a number of votes that rivalled River State.

No hard feelings for Buhari but he is too old to carry out the rigours associated with the office of the presidency.

Common, the average lifespan of Nigeria is 55 or thereabouts.
Buhari is officially in his 70's, even for countries with advanced Medicare where lifespan is 80-85, Buhari is still physically and mentally weak to run a stable country let alone unstable like Nigeria.

firstEVA:
Thanks for making it very clear that you cannot be influenced

Since you don't vote, I hope you know you've lost every moral right to complain about a bad govt?

Our votes have never counted and won't for a considerable stretch of time.

For the life of me, I cannot envisage myself standing and queuing up in the scorching sun for hours only to vote when the worth of my vote is only in association of establishing a convincing rig of the election.

Maybe if we had a system that allows one to vote within minutes and be done, I may grudgingly contribute to the process .

Kudos to all Nigerians who are building our electioneering process all the same by voting.

Voting is my right which I have the prerogative to excercise or not to excercise. It doesn't take away other rights of which criticising any government is constitutionally guaranteed without the prerequisite of voting.

Your Buhari has made some un-President-like statement which made the APC to have a sour taste in the mouth by the way.

firstEVA:
It's not what anyone should experience honestly.

I am confident things will get better, I am getting you to vote APC in 2019

Dear, I have never voted in a presidential or gubernatorial elections. I doubt I'll change in 2019.

firstEVA:
you don't disappoint.

Packing my luggage, boarding next flight .


I wonder how people earning half salaries cope this period of near recession times are tough.

Yes, I have read about economic recession but have never truly experienced one. It's about time I did.

Thoughts of you make it secondary!

firstEVA:
Alphadex have you eaten?

Hey, missing you has stifled my appetite. I need you.

daretodiffer:
Darling, an average man should understand what is happening but an Economics student would be expected to have a better understanding. That is to say -- the standard required of an Economics student is higher than that of an average man.


Now can you please fvck off? I don't have time for NFAs this early morning. Thanks

It goes beyond economics. istrative policies, implementation, execution and follow through.

Your attack goes beyond her submissions, calling her discipline into this only implies your emotions are brimming.

Politics and elections have always been about feelings especially amongst women even in America which has the most active political participation on earth.

What irks you can be undone if you learn to love yourself first.

daretodiffer:


This is not even about discipline.

But you're the one who introduced discipline into it. Mental confusion settling in so soon?

daretodiffer:


It is about common sense. I am not an Economist but I understand basic economics principles to understand what is going on.

and yet again she brings in discipline again and left common sense she just yapped about!! Mental discombobulation heightened.

daretodiffer:



You can't say that because you don't like something anything that thing does or does not do is wrong/bad/evil. You don't like APC because you perceive it to be an Islamic party no more no less.the thing is APC o or PDP o, they don't care about either of us. Your feeling would only make them enough money to send their kids to the best Universities in the world. Of you knew what goes on behind closed dooors, you would fight for yourself not for a party. And politics wouldnt be politics if it were run based on feelings. You can hate something/person but it does not mean that you should hold biased and unreasonable opinion about the thing/person.

Ended in anticlimax. Not even preferring any solution but empty blah.

RichYoungNigga:
This doesn't make sense
This is 2016 and not 1932

You can search and find someone's home address on the internet
Here in the states you can pay $5 on peopleinfo.com and you will see their full name, their home address, their arrest record, their court record,their relations both dead and alive, where they live, where they go to church, the pictures of their house.

But here, everyone owns and carries a gun, so if you wanna get smoked, just try kidnap them, one shot to the head and you're dead

Uncorrelated! This is Nigeria and there is no central base where personal info of all citizens are stored or easily accessible. Not even FRSC has that detailed info on car owners.

What the OP said is 100% relevant as personal info can only be furnished by the individuals themselves. Peopleinfo.com doesn't work in Nigeria.

Ishilove:

Now this had me braying laughter all over the place

I didn't mean to invoke the laughter. I came for your hormones