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erico2k2:

Enjoy the system.you lot votted lol
It has come to roast.

Roost not roast.

So you nor even dey the Nigeria na hin u dey yarn. Abeg perch

erico2k2:

Don't worry it will soon happen on your doorstep let's see what say you then.

Lol….rubbish talk. One of my parent died in an RTA from stupid “good samaritans” mishandling them in the name of help. Nothing wey you wan tell me.

Focus on fixing the malaise in the system. Not threatening someone with “e go happen to you”

I nobi small pikin wey kwashiorkor or threat dey kill

Ibo man collect stray bullet.

He’s “just” an Ibo trader based in Europe

erico2k2:

You lack exposure.ask yourself what services mak3s up the Emerg3ncy services?you as a medical persoel is exposed to all of those ills you mentioned. You could be asked to save a life everyone wants to get rid off.what do you think will happen?.so the civilians in the police force are made to learn how to use arms too?+?.what about the 4oad safety officers?.Anyway I think you already got the message..There is no xcuses on the part of that female doctor.

A civilian doctor in a police medical facility is protected by the armed police personnel. Paramedics work in emergency. They bring patients to the Emergency unit of the hospital with a plethora of information. Vitals. Cause of accident. Possible suspected injuries and all. No Dr flies in blind into an emergency. I repeat, hard as it sounds, that Dr was in the right. That patient could have had a ton of diseases and health conditions that she was unaware of. Touch him and he dies and the next story is “FMC Dr kills accident patient”. Until the Nigerian system fixes itself, 1million times, she was right. Medicine and Healthcare is not charity. It’s a profession. None of them signed up to be killed. Their creed is to first do no harm.

PS: I am not a Dr. Not even a healthcare professional. But I completely her protecting herself.

erico2k2:

You are scared of assault .you funny.what about the police.Army etc?you think they do t face same or even more risk that that?look there is no excuse.if U can't b3ar the heath get out of th3 kitchen simple

The police and army are trained and armed to deal with assault. And they signed up knowing assault was on the line of their work. NO DOCTOR, I repeat NO DOCTOR signed up for assault.

And you are right about getting out of the kitchen, that’s what this Dr did in this case. She wasn’t ready to be assaulted, wasn’t going to take the heat, and recused herself. You want her to attend, bring the patient out of the vehicle.

erico2k2:

U must have petrol as blood.Has he not done enough for humanity by bringing these strangers to the hospital in his own car which he now has to go and deep clean cos of blood stains ??
Just look at the kind of people we live along wiv in 9ja

I do not have petrol for blood. I am talking as the child of a General Surgeon who was assaulted multiple times on different occasions by family of different patients. When you see the other side of patients running away without paying bills, or their families tracking you to your home to assault you as a doc, you will do exactly what this female doctor has done. It’s not meanness. It’s self preservation

Akabuking:
we're talking about human life, you are here talking about hierarchy

If she touched that patient and he died, they will say she killed him. There would have been loads of underlying issues that patient would have had that she was unaware about. Even carrying the patient into the car could have caused damage that neither she or the good samaritan was aware off. A Dr's creed is to first do no harm. The people that put him in the car should have brought him out for her to make a proper evaluation. If he was brought in by paramedics, they would have had information to give her immediately on arrival. But brought in by someone with no medical training, she was right in being cautious. Bring the patient down and she will examine

Image123:


Exactly, plus other things like money. Who's buying and paying for the treatment. Who's footing the medical bills. It's a tough but valid call that's unsolved. There's no medical insurance and proper identity.

Not forgetting that relatives of the patient are on standby to beat up clinical staff if the patient dies. No medical staff, I repeat NO MEDICAL STAFF is happy at the death of a patient. But Nigeria has taught them to protect themselves first.

Touch the patient now and when it's time to pay bills, stories arise.

Difrent:


Very good job.
I'll rate him 8.
Pictures can be deceiving, don't think the house will look exactly the way it looked in the picture

Why not? Why should the finished work not be an exact replica? Did the artist's impression not come from the architectural drawing?

I am super picky so don't take this as a criticism of the work. But this for me would get a 5 at best.

And the problem I have with it is sizing. Look at those round windows. Not an exact replication of the artist's impression. The pillars in front are not aligned and not orthogonal. The up ones dey lean forward badly. The windows to the right of the round windows? Artist's impression is rectangular, contractor's work look square.

SeeWahala:


He talks well abi? Hehehe 🤣😂

It's surprising to see that you and immortalcrown don't believe they could ever get involved in an accident in their life where by a random good Samaritan could rush them to a hospital to save their life

I hope if/when such a day comes (either to you or yours) and you're being refused life resuscitating treatment you will both this post you made here where you claim to understand why such treatments should be withheld

In this life, we reap what we sow and yes I myself have been involved in a terrible accident where I was rushed to the hospital unconscious and fortunately received life saving treatment

Maybe if you see the other side then you will understand. My dad was a General Surgeon. Had one of his patients die post-op. The family stormed the hospital to beat him up for "killing" their brother. Patient that had been trying all other means including fasting and prayer and only came to the hospital hanging on to life by a thread

These pictures have been over corrected abeg

stanluiz:
Jide u better no loose guard. Asiwaju no dey forgive.

He don already loose guard. He's a dead man walking

lexdino

lexdino:


Nor vex Chief. Was just curious to know.
Thanks very much.
I will try to dedicate more time to the series, see if I can complete it this month.

Looool....I was joking with the "offside" comment. I've actually enjoyed your dedication and discipline to push past the learning resistance.

lexdino:
Interesting History.
They've really come a long way

So, what's your opinion in of performance between FreePBX and FusionPBX, when managing the same multi-customer workload? I mean, can a server running multiple virtualized FreePBX instances (say via a tier-1 hypervisor) perform as well as the same server running FusionPBX natively?

And also, how does the ClearlyIP Clearly Device module enforces payment before use? I ask because it allowed me to freely generate a Provisioning Address already. What happens if I were to manually input this address into the Phone and the Phone comes knocking on the provisioning server when I have not yet bought a License?

You are asking "offside" questions o...lol. I will address the ClearlyIP first. If you configure a Yealink phone to use it, I don't think it will work. With a ClearlyIP phone, possibly as their aim is to sell their products and services.

Regarding FusionPBX vs FreePBX, performance depends on a lot of variables, number of calls being made, what time of codecs are in use, encrypted vs unencrypted connection etc. Purely from an efficiency standpoint, one FusionPBX can multiple customers while one FreePBX server will one customer. BUT, while FusionPBX claims to be open source, there is very little free training material for it. Most of it is behind pay walls. Their community sef barely exists without a subscription. FreePBX on the other hand has a ton of resources to learn with, and the community is very very very active.

Minimum hip for FusionPBX is US$100/month. Top end is US$1000/month. Not very DIY friendly for a beginner. There are some YouTube tutorials but I've never really wrapped my head around it's initial configuration. Given an already configured server though, I can mess about with it because of my existing FreePBX experience

lexdino:


Thank you very much.
I am really grateful for the clarification you gave.
Now I see why the repo had to be changed to ClearlyIP's.
If I got you clearly, the ClearlyIP's Clearly Devices module that was installed after the repo Change now enables my PBX Server to also act as a provisioning Server for ClearlyIP Phones when the Server is accessed using the Provisioning s and ports?

Please go on with the FreePBX, Sangoma, Crosstalk et al.

@MindHacker9009, thank you for the AI generated points as well.

Yes, the ClearlyIP Clearly Device module allows your FreePBX to also be a provisioning server for ClearlyIP devices. Sangoma's Endpoint Manager module also accomplishes the same thing. Both are paid modules so you need to buy a license to be able to use either of them. With Sangoma though, if you buy their Phones, then you don't need a license for the Endpoint Manager.

Now to the Sangoma/ClearlyIP/Crosstalk/TangoPBX saga.

Many many years ago (1999) some dude called Mark Spencer developed Asterisk as a telephony software. He eventually setup a business called Digium which provided paid Technical for businesses that used Asterisk. Sangoma had been a hardware company, making hardware that enabled asterisk work with older telephony hardware in use at the time. To grow, they "bought" over Asterisk with the promise to keep it open source. Some other dude, Rob Thomas (known as xrobau on the community) developed FreePBX, a GUI frontend for Asterisk. Asterisk at its heart is edited at the command line using several configuration files. It was very cumbersome and error prone, FreePBX made it easier. You click click click and FreePBX on the background edits the config files. Sangoma also bought the rights to FreePBX.

At some point, Sangoma decided to start monetizing FreePBX. They came up with PBXACT which is basically a paid version of FreePBX. Added Paid and paid modules. And were basically "restricting" FreePBX. Community led by Tony Lewis (who used to work with Sangoma and led the FreePBX development) were not happy with the direction that Sangoma were taking so they left Sangoma to form ClearlyIP. Much of the community was happy with the fork. Sangoma wasn't and started putting up stumbling blocks. Modules developed and signed by ClearlyIP would show up on native FreePBX as "dodgy" even though they were fully open source and vetted by the community. They sha had their back and forth dragging, necessitating ClearlyIP to have their own repo. Both still base their build.of the core open source FreePBX (Sangoma has to keep it open source based on the agreement they signed when they bought it). Sangoma is responsible for developing and maintaining FreePBX, but like I said earlier, they are trying to monetise it heavily. So the likes of ClearlyIP are trying to keep them in check. ClearlyIP has no issue with charging for addon services, but not for crippling the core FreePBX which Sangoma was trying to do by sometimes taking out necessary modules.

Recently, another group aligned with ClearlyIP also left Sangoma to form TangoPBX which they say will be open source. So far, they have kept it open source but I'm looking at them with corner eye. Cos as a business, there is no way you would not need to charge to keep the product afloat. But we'll see.

People like Crosstalk are "pro open-source" even though they charge for services they provide (like deploying and configuring FreePBX, or providing sip trunking service). However, na "coded advert". The tutorial is fully free, but it puts him as an expert. So any business that does not have the internal expertise will readily go to him, after all he has a detailed tutorial so he must be really good at it. And he is.

That's a "brief" summary of the drama. This happens all the time with open source software. While Mark Spencer was still in charge of Asterisk, a group broke out to form Freeswitch (another open source software similar to Asterisk but s multitenancy - many customers using the same server, instead of one server per customer as Asterisk originally was). Freeswitch is the base of another "open source" PBX called FusionPBX that many providers use to provide commercial telephony service to multiple customers.

So the key difference between FusionPBX and FreePBX is multitenancy. With FreePBX, you need one server per customer. With FusionPBX, you can have multiple customers (up to 50 depending on server size) per server. At the core though, they provide the same services, just different philosophy.

MindHacker9009:


No offence meant, you've genuinely done good here introducing us to world of VoIP and I respect that. Just being honest though that, not using tools like ChatGPT these days feels a bit like refusing to use the internet or sticking to horses instead of cars. It’s not about replacing expertise, it’s about learning faster.
Happy Sunday to you too.

I have no problem with AI. I use Gemini heavily in my new role. But it is outright condescending to be speaking with me who eats and lives VoIP and throwing ChatGPT response. ChatGPT can consume all the information it likes, it can never come close to the battle field troubleshooting experience I've had.

MindHacker9009:


ChatGPT has this answer:

I will NO LONGER engage you. You apparently do not have the capacity to make written contributions in your words. Happy Sunday

MindHacker9009:


Okay. But how about this response to your comment from ChatGPT:

Would you take ChatGPT's response over a trained surgeon?

Your Adhominem regurgitating of ChatGPT is "one-kind" to say the least.

MindHacker9009:
Have you tried ChatGPT for mentorship?

.....

This ChatGPT response is one of the reasons people need to be knowledgeable in the field and not rely on GenAI. I understand and appreciate that you are trying to be helpful, but ChatGPT is clearly uninformed about the nuances and drama surrounding FreePBX and it's several forks and is outrightly spitting a lot of gibberish here. This isn't an attack on you, so don't see it as one

lexdino:


Hello Chief, I hope all is well with you.
I was unable to see any of your responses yesterday due to the bots deleting them.
I really do appreciate all your efforts so far in answering my questions with great details.

I'm currently 1/3 into that video series but unfortunately its also beginning to turn into another version of the current program I'm studying in Automotive embedded systems.

Like learning something and just at the point you feel you're beginning to understand it, you're taken away from it and have to start learning something else. Rinse repeat until the end, and in the end, you neither have a concrete idea of what kind of knowledge you have acquired nor how you can use it to get jobs or start your own entrepreneurial venture.

To be precise, the series so far has made me switch the repo from freepbx to clearlyIP for "security reasons" according to the tutor. Then I had to also switch the GUI's branding from Sangoma PBX to Crosstalk PBX for cosmetic reasons. Now the modules in my setup are both a mix of Sangoma's and ClearlyIP's. To even make it worse, now the series is teaching how to use this setup to zero touch provision a Crosstalk 270 SIP phone.

In a production-grade setup, doesnt it make sense that Sangoma, ClearlyIP and Crosstalk should each have their own tooling?

I understand the terrain though and I'm not complaining.
Do you do paid mentorship?
I would like to have a paid mentorship to give me a structured learning plan that follows a path of least resistance to professionalism in this tech space and I understand such doesnt come for free.

It has been hitting me left right centre with bans. Let's see if it bans me on this. If not I will edit and respond to your questions

Edit:

So you asked a very good question "there" and I had a detailed response only get hit with a ban. I will try to briefly explain here and hope I don't get hit again.

So there's the Redirect Server and the Provisioning Server. The Redirect server is often provided by the Phone manufacturer as a "free" service for all phones they manufacture. It allows for Zero touch provisioning, meaning the phone service provider (think RingCentral or 8x8) doesn't not have to see or touch the phone for them to configure it and have it work with their service: hence the name "Zero touch". Every phone from factory state by default connects to the Redirect server. The redirect server does exactly that, redirects the phone to the Provisioning server. So the phone (in factory state) says to the Redirect server: "Hey I am Yealink T53W with xyz MAC address, where do I go to get my configuration settings?". If that phone has already been configured on the Redirect Server, the Redirect server will tell it "Go to ABC (the provisioning server) for your configuration details". If the phone hasn't been setup on the Redirect Server, it responds with "Naaaah, I don't have any configuration server for you". The phone then seats there and displays "No service". You can then manually configure the phone using its Web GUI by visiting the phones IP address using your Web browser.

The provisioning server on the other hand is provided by the Phone service provider. It's mostly custom developed although there used to be a few open source ones (that have now mostly been abandoned). The provisioning server basically tells the phone, you are Ext 101 on ABC phone server. It tells the phone the PBX server address, the extension name, extension secret, and few other details like whether the extension is "Line 1" or "Line 2" on a phone (one phone can connect to multiple different PBX, or even to multiple extensions on the same PBX).

So to clarify, the Redirect server tells the phone where to go, to get its configuration details. The Provisioning Server provides the phone with its configuration details (after obviously ing that the phone is who it says it is).

Dunno if all of that is clear. Let me know if it is and I will attempt to clarify the "confusion" over FreePBX, Sangoma, Crosstalk, ClearlyIP and even now latest "renegade", TangoPBX


Edit 2:
I take full responsibility for not being proactive in stating what videos to skip over. For a beginner like you, after Video 9, you should skip over to video 13. Videos 10-12 require tooling that you will not have access to unless you pay for them. Especially the Sangoma Endpoint manager and all the ClearlyIP/Crosstalk stuff. Switching repos and all will not have made much functional changes to your system. I use a mix of Crosstalk and ClearlyIP repository purely because Sangoma has been moving "one kind way" lately. It feels like they are trying to close source it, and the community is rebelling by forking it and keeping it open source. Na normal thing in open source. One business tries to maximise and fully monetize, community say "NO WAY" and split away. While Sangoma through FreePBX still leads, there are several underlings that people will jump to quickly if Sangoma close source it. TangoPBX looks like it will be the place where people will go. A lot of former Sangoma employees have left Sangoma to work with TangoPBX.

So to reiterate, skip over videos 10-12 and continue at video 13, when you have some more experience, you will better understand 10-12


Edit 3:
Also Skip 18 & 19. Instead you can get a Telnyx or any other German SIP Trunk provider and follow their guide for configuring FreePBX with their SIP Trunk

Eriokanmi:


Had fashola been allowed to contest, trust me, na easy win nationwide, likewise osinbajo....

Either of these would have been an easy sell for the South West. Even a Fashola M-M ticket would have been an easier sell. These are people with proof. Even though I didn't vote for Jaga, I had called his victory way before the election. Either of Fash or Osi, and they would have easily gotten my inconsequential vote

kettykin:


Wike's will sell more than a nollywood blockbuster

CRA is already sing Songs of Solomon. He will still get to Malachi. Rivers have produced completely useless governors on the national stage. Odili, used. Amaechi, used. Wike, being used.

iwaeda:
Tinubu is OTP, The battle is within, forget all the defections.

Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you. They say it's the inside rat that informs the outside rats where the food is. The outside rats then come inside the house to wreck havoc. Jaga is supposedly tactful and strategic, so let's see how that pans out.

Why are they selling to Canal+?

keemsleek:
Clinic gate was the easiest route to sneak out then, guess it's still till now.

That and back gate. But some men with mind dey use main gate o. I had one of my guy wey dey follow main gate in and out on a steady

brain54:


Lol...

You know as e dey go na. Medical was like a window without burglary proof

Make dem find way secure that “Medical gate” like main gate