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donnie:

HND,

I have no business discussing Christan doctrines with you.

Because you are far removed from the truth because of your arrogance. Dogmatic in every sense of it, such that you blind your self from basic Truth.

Seek first the Kingdom of God every other thing shall be added unto thee.
Tithe was never in cash. You think you can stop me from saying the truth. You are not a Christ follower but an impostor who want to use the bible to feed.

This is the first and greatest commandment.

'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind

'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Only those who follow Jesus Christ teaching and practices were called Christian not the TITHE collectors like DONNIE

Jesus never told anyone to pay tithe.

Totally agree with you hnd-holder.

Jesus was one who did not pay the tax. Many people forget that. And he always critisized the pharises who kept very strictly with the law. Yet Jesus said to them they were just hypocrites.

Matthew 15:14
... ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch."

Matthew 15:

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

donnie:


Matthew 15:14
... ignore them. They are blind guides leading the blind, and if one blind person guides another, they will both fall into a ditch."

Yes this means what? let everybody read the full text . You again out of context!

Nairaland People Please read the full text, Any relevant to Tithe issue?   


MATTHEW CHAPTER 15

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1     ¶ Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2     Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3     But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4     For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5     But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6     And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7     Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8     This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9     But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10     ¶ And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11     Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
12     Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
13     But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
14     Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
15     Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16     And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17     Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18     But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19     For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20     These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

May be the tithe payment can defile a man. Paying it in CASH to pastors is not Biblical. QED
And my heavenly Father hath not planted it , so shall it be rooted up.

On the other hand giving is also a crucial part of being christian. In most cases we could give more that we actually do. Balance is the answer.

Interesting thread...

I believe in tithing as it is biblical and God does demand from us 1/10th of everything that we produce afterall it is him that gaves us the means to earn whatever we earn in the first place!!

However, as has been mentioned tithes are for the orphans, homeless, widows etc. I do not think that God said I should pay my tithes so the pastor can buy a mercedes or a private jet!! Neither do I claim that the pastor should wear torn clothes or be starving. There is a a balance. He can wear suits but does it have to be Armani or hand made bespoke stuff?? He can have a car but doe sit have to be a mercedes?? Will something less expensive and flashier not do the job just as well?? Shouldn't he be concerned with spending whatever money comes as wisely and as efficiently as possible??

If I were tithing in a place that was using the money for purposes I did not feel were biblical then I would leave and go to a aplce that does so. I do not see many pastors in Nigeria spending the money on the homesless (of which there are many), the orphans (of which their are many) etc etc. Private universities (which charge by the way) and such like in my humble opinion have nothing to do with the church. Let the church concern itself with human souls and let the govt deal with education needed for industry!!

It depends how much money one earns. If one does not have much, christian belief requires that he does not have too little. So it is not expected that he gives 10% of what little he got. He'll die before his time.

Hnd-holder:




Matthew 15:

13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Yes this means what? let everybody read the full text . You again out of context!

of course quoting the bible to suit one's agenda is not a new thing now  https://nairaland.macsoftware.info/nigeria/topic-2551.32.html#msg111859

My Brothers and Sisters,

Una sabi say country hard. Na him make say pastors dey ask for tithe. Sunday thanksgiving and tithe na him be pastor egunje. I no sabi whether EFCC fit check churches. But I sure say if Ribadu boys check all these them big big pastor wey dey talk oyinbo oyinbo, and wey dey gyrate with every statement them make, I sure say them go find something.

The only be say them go talk say na because Nuhu no be christian na him make say him dey check churches. Anyway, if God dey and him just leave pastors to decieve people then me I no know again. But if the things wey dey inside bible correct, then God go punish those pastors well well when them die. In fact, them no go see heaven. Them go go meet their papa, Lucifer for hell.

God go punish all those people wey dey decieve people in him name.

Na so the book of life talk am.

Happy New Year.

Mr Bassey

Wouldn't it be nice if Nigerian churches were like this church in Texas that plans to give a free house to one of its  

Texas Church Plans to Give Away a House
Since 2003, Abundant Life Christian Center has given away a car, a motorcycle and furniture.
"It encourages people to come to the service, and it helps keep people off the street with all that revelry going on," said pastor Walter Hallam.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051226/ap_on_re_us/house_giveaway_1

some churches in nigeria give scholarships to their committed . To those who have been sowing seed and it appears nothing has been happening. You will reap it in 2006 for thus saith my pastor this is your year of overflow.

It is wise to speak out of knowledge and not in ignorance.

We do have churches in Nigeria that care big-time for the poor.

Our church has brought countless number of young people out of the streets, given them accomodation, food, clothing and even eduction.

At Christ Embassy, we have an inner-city mission school where  children tken off the streets are given free education.

We are rehabilitaing several drug addicts and prostitutes around the country to the glory of God...giving scholarships to many and establishing many in businesses.

I suggest you find out things for youself rather than be-cloud your minds with thoughts of corruption. The bible says "...to the pure in heart, all things are pure"

In fact at the 31st Night service, pastor Chris announced that in the year 2006 the minstry will focus on taking care of the poor like never before. He said that this time around, children will be the focus. They will be taken off the streets, fed, clothed, sheltered, and given an education so that they can achieve the future of their dreams.

It is easy to criticise and abuse pastors, many of which abandoned great careers at the feet of Jesus. What we want to see are people who will take the necessary steps to effect changes.

let your light shine!

By their fruit.......

After my job in Slough (my boss tried to have me fired, she says I made at her.
Is not true, that is the real problem, she was angry at me I think. Maybe I should have
made at her, but so what, just because she wears Valentino suit at work she thinks
she is beauty queen. So I been out of job, just for having photo of my girlfriend from back
home in Tivoli on my desk at work.

Anyway back to my story about my good old friend with a pizza restaurant, we know each
for years, we even at business school together, like, you know, so he should know how
hard business is, he should know about networking and stuff so I says to him, I give Italian
lessons and I have nice business cards printed, can I put my business cards around in his
pizza restaurant, like near the cashdesk or on the wall something like you know. He say no,
very sorry (like hes’ very sorry – why he very sorry? , I’m the one who is sorry, I have problems
paying my car to be fixed, you know, my cheque was late in the post from Italy that month I need
extra money to bridge me across some time do I explain that, so I can make some money from
giving Italian lessons.

He says, no very sorry he cannot let me show my business cards in his pizza restaurant. I say
why not mate, we are mates, so why not? He says if he let me do that then he have to let everybody
do it too. I say what? Explain that to me please. He said again, if he let me put my
cards in his restaurant he would have to let everybody else put their cards in as well. I said how come?
He say, because you have to. I say what you mean you have to? What everybody else? He say
you have to treat everybody the same. It has to be fair he says. He says you
can’t do one for thing for one person and something different for someone else, it has to be fair, the
same for everyone. And he hasn’t got room on his wall for everyone else’s business cards, so he
won't take my card and stick it up at the start of it.

I say him “you missing the point my mate – You don’t have to do the same for everybody. You do a
favour for a friend, you do because he is a friend. People who is not your friends, you don’t have to
do nothing for them. He says who is going to do them the favour then, how is it fair? I say “of course
its fair they have their own friends somewhere, it like a family you know, everybody have a family of
they friends, they do each other favours you know'. Nothing about they treat everybody the same, that
a load of puke. You my friend you do me a favour you don’t have to do it for everyone else as well –
they have they own friends and family to do them a favour. Else what is friendship mean? You know?
And one day I do you a favour backwards you know what I mean? What is value of it, what is value of
special friendship if you treat everybody the same? Then he says anyway you are not a friend you an
acquaintance. Man, I think this is at the root. They don’t have friends. They only want acquaintances.

They got some piece of paper with laws written on it telling them what to do and they all do it, they never
make exception for a friend, and they never do anything special for a friend, they never, like do any special
thing for a friend that has a value to it you know. They buy you a present and they say “heres the receipt, if
you don’t like my present you take it back to the shop and get something else you like instead”
What kind of present is that? What special about that? In newspapers classified ads they have lots of adverts
saying unwanted gift, for sale. So what kind of friend takes a gift from you and then sells it, unwanted and
in a newspaper to tell everybody that it was unwanted?

People have no feelings, its all on paper only, You know, when you don’t want a gift from a friend you don’t
want that friend, but they don’t it that. Man, they really got a problems with their friendships. Treat everybody
the same. Yes right, they even treat they family the same – When they parents and grandparents
gets old, you know what, they throw them out of the house! They put them in institution,
in a home for old peoples, and then they only goes see them maybe once or twice a year, sometimes less. In
the institution all the old people is treated the same, they happy at last yes? Ha ha.


The same with tithing.

did u make a mistake chrisd? i don't know how ur last post is related to this discussion.

"Yes, he does," he replied. When Peter came into the house, Jesus was the first to speak. "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes—from their own sons or from others?"

Please can someone comment on this quote above in relation to tithe?

We are saying tithing is requirement for all. Everyone the same to be fair right? You have to tithe no matter what just to do as the book says. Very nice but the heart is not there.

please react to my post

All it says is that giving is a nesessary part in being in closeness with God. But should not be a kind of tax. You give from the heart. Then if some pastor, or anyone for that case, thinks he is not happy with that, it's not my problem.

I have no responsibility to be like they expect me to be: it's their mistake, not my failing. If that's not good enough, it's good enough for me.

Hey good people,

Chrisd invited me to contribute to this threas, so I'll gladly oblige.
Note: this is from an ethical unbeliever, giving his opinion on the matter at hand, so take it for what it is.

chrisd:

After my job in Slough (my boss tried to have me fired, she says I made at her.
Is not true, that is the real problem, she was angry at me I think. Maybe I should have
[SNIP]
the institution all the old people is treated the same, they happy at last yes? Ha ha.


The same with tithing.

You're very much into parables and alegory, aren't you? At least you're in good company

I think Christians should copy the Muslim requirements for charity. The money certainly shouldn't go to the self professed men of God. the current day Catholic Church (but certainly [b]not [/b]the historical one) has got it right in that regard. People should be judged by their actions, not by their words

Tithing as introduced was a good thing...
But like many other things instituted in the bible, there was a time span for it.
Tithing was a law given to the Isrealites.
They were to give their tenth parts if God was to Bless them The Question however is, do we still have to tithe as christians? Let the blble answer in Hebrew Chapter Seven. Follow the link below and read the whole chapter.

http://www.biblegateway.com/age/?search=Hebrews%207;&version=31;

It is clearly stated. No tithes for christians. The apostle Paul recomended cheerful giving. To quote him, "God loves a cheerful giver". Giving is not bad. The point is, God no longer impose giving.

http://www.biblegateway.com/age/?search=Hebrews%207;&version=31;

He likes it when you give from your heart. It could be 1%, 10% 60% or just a token. He is not impressed by you money. All he cares for is a generous and willing spirit!

You tithe in your church?
Show your pastor those texts and I bet you, he'll have a tough time explaining them away!

Yes I agree with that. Am not saying one should not give. Giving is part of being in closeness with God but noone should force anyone the amount.

Coder,

You are wrong there...

Tithing did not come with the Law.

Abraham , the father of faith, tithed ever before the Law came.

We tithe as children of Abraham and heirs of the same promise.

And who says that, you?

You tithe if you want to, but why include me?

Nferyn,

The works alone will not do.

Christianity has been described by the scriptures as 'our profession'.

There is no christianity without profession or confession of faith.

Jesus said, " by your words you shall be justified and by your words, you sahll be condemned"

So faith woking by love is what counts.

I am not including you....I am only correcting your wrong theology.

Yeah right. Yeah works count nothing but bullshit words do right. Words my ass.

donnie:

I am not including you.I am only correcting your wrong theology.

You are a tax collector