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ValeeLove:
Just watched Mariah's debut and I must say I don't know which is worse - debuting Thekla and promoting her with an underwhelming and negative story of her, or - check this out - debuting Mariah May without a name!😂😂😂 The commentary team didn't even know what to call her. Are we supposed to call her Glamorous?😂😂 These companies are 'k*lling' me.😂 The reason people are not enjoying wrestling anymore, asides the realization that it's fake, is because they do things that don't make sense and they expect that we should overlook it because it's 'wrestling.' Are you going to tell a pro-wrestling enthusiast that? Geez. It's small, but it's a reflection of the entire business too. The good news is I was able to get a good laugh from it.
One more thing, the crowd, commentator and WWE social media seem to know her well. I thought they didn't watch AEW. Liars.

The fact NXT isn't referring to her as Mariah May means they are changing her name. It's similar to what they did with Ricky Starks when he debuted. It wasn't until he signed the contract live on air that they filed a trademark on his new name a day later .
https://www.wrestlezone.com/news/1543415-wwe-applies-to-trademark-ricky-saints.

Wrestling lost the huge boom it used to have in the 90s due folks finding out is fake, rise of reality shows and the ufc. However, folks continue to watch it as seem from profits from sponsorship , merchandise, ppv buys and TV deals. Go look at WWE expensive ticket prices since TKO acquired them. AEW also got a good TV deal from WB.

As regards WWE folks not knowing Mariah May.
I can't tell if you're being mischievous or not?
Isn't it the job of a commentator and the company overall to know a new member of their roster? especially one who was champion from a rival promotion.
That NXT show was run at the performance centre hence she debuted in front of the most smarkiest of wwe fans. Nxt fans aren't casuals in the least, they are aware of everything that goes on in wrestling.

Raw and Smackdown tour around the country, their audience is mostly made up of casual fans and families. We've seen plenty of times when CM Punk refers to something in AEW and the audience at RAW stay quiet because they don't understand the reference.
Its also same reason why a wrestler like Michin or Pete Dunn come out to crickets sounds on the main roster but are heavily cheered and booed on NXT.

AEW tours like Raw and Smackdown but their product appeals more to smarks than casual fans. It's why they don't air vignettes on their new gs.They expect you to know them already.
The casual audience aren't on twitter or Internet forums browsing wrestling topics.
It's also why AEW TV ratings compares with NXT and not main roster as its mostly similar smark audience.

An example of the typical AEW smark fan.
They wan spoil business for Tony Khan.

samistry:

The fact NXT isn't referring to her as Mariah May means they are changing her name. It's similar to what they did with Ricky Starks when he debuted. It wasn't until he signed the contract live on air that they filed a trademark on his new name a day later .
https://www.wrestlezone.com/news/1543415-wwe-applies-to-trademark-ricky-saints.

Wrestling lost the huge boom it used to have in the 90s due folks finding out is fake, rise of reality shows and the ufc. However, folks continue to watch it as seem from profits from sponsorship , merchandise, ppv buys and TV deals. Go look at WWE expensive ticket prices since TKO acquired them. AEW also got a good TV deal from WB.

As regards WWE folks not knowing Mariah May.
I can't tell if you're being mischievous or not?
Isn't it the job of a commentator and the company overall to know a new member of their roster? especially one who was champion from a rival promotion.
That NXT show was run at the performance centre hence she debuted in front of the most smarkiest of wwe fans. Nxt fans aren't casuals in the least, they are aware of everything that goes on in wrestling.

Raw and Smackdown tour around the country, their audience is mostly made up of casual fans and families. We've seen plenty of times when CM Punk refers to something in AEW and the audience at RAW stay quiet because they don't understand the reference.
Its also same reason why a wrestler like Michin or Pete Dunn come out to crickets sounds on the main roster but are heavily cheered and booed on NXT.

AEW tours like Raw and Smackdown but their product appeals more to smarks than casual fans. It's why they don't air vignettes on their new gs.They expect you to know them already.
The casual audience aren't on twitter or Internet forums browsing wrestling topics.
It's also why AEW TV ratings compares with NXT and not main roster as its mostly similar smark audience.

Ricky Saints or Starks, courtesy demands that you prepare their names before debuting. It's has always been that way and it's logical. Even if you're changing their name, do it before debut. It's highly unprofessional.
The commentators knowing her isn't the problem, but calling her the hottest free agent without acknowledging where she has been before is laughable. Same thing with Cargill, Mrs 'Reknown Wrestler' but some how you don't watch AEW, lol. Her contract g pic had a lot of views too.😂

Whether smarks or casual, the point is it's laughable saying WWE fans don't know or watch AEW, the receipts keep showing otherwise.

Back to Mariah, why is she challenging for the title just yet, she just came in. Somebody make this make sense.

Finally, do we have any proper Stephanie Vaqeer promo or interview online, it's so hard to find. Ring work is the main thing, but you still have to be able to sell yourself.

samistry:
An example of the typical AEW smark fan.
They wan spoil business for Tony Khan.

let's not act like some WWE fans don't have scrambled brains too.

ValeeLove:
let's not act like some WWE fans don't have scrambled brains too.

AEW fans want their favourite company to grow but gatekeep new fans away from it.
People are allowed to critic WWE but say one word about AEW and their rabid fanbase will be all over you online.
You can't grow if you don't accept critcisms

ValeeLove:
Ricky Saints or Starks, courtesy demands that you prepare their names before debuting. It's has always been that way and it's logical. Even if you're changing their name, do it before debut. It's highly unprofessional.
The commentators knowing her isn't the problem, but calling her the hottest free agent without acknowledging where she has been before is laughable. Same thing with Cargill, Mrs 'Reknown Wrestler' but some how you don't watch AEW, lol. Her contract g pic had a lot of views too.😂

Whether smarks or casual, the point is it's laughable saying WWE fans don't know or watch AEW, the receipts keep showing otherwise.

Back to Mariah, why is she challenging for the title just yet, she just came in. Somebody make this make sense.

Finally, do we have any proper Stephanie Vaqeer promo or interview online, it's so hard to find. Ring work is the main thing, but you still have to be able to sell yourself.

Wwe and AEW will never mention the other company live on air.
They don't believe in promoting a rival. It's the same thing for radio stations not calling brand names for undue publicity.

Say what you will about lack of names in their debut but Mariah came in put the whole roster on notice, declared for the top prize in NXT. That doesn't mean she's getting a title shot automatically na.
Everyone called their shots in that segment to challenge for the title.
It naturally means a contender match or battle royal will be setup in the future.

If all the WWE fans who watch raw and smackdown watch AEW then why is AEW ratings below a million? It hovers around the 600k range struggling with NXT, a development show😏
How many viewers does AEW draw to their YouTube page compared to the fed?
Why is AEW doing shows in smaller venues and giving free tickets/discounts on their shows?
Their cameras no dey show full audience section.

Stephanie had promos in NXT and had a vignette last raw explaining who she was and her journey to WWE but you can't see what you don't watch🤷

Oga Valee, please tell me how you would book your ideal wrestling company because you seem to have everything figured out.
It's easy to be a critic like Jamie Carragher but you sabi coach?

samistry:

Wwe and AEW will never mention the other company live on air.
They don't believe in promoting a rival. It's the same thing for radio stations not calling brand names for undue publicity.

Say what you will about lack of names in their debut but Mariah came in put the whole roster on notice, declared for the top prize in NXT. That doesn't mean she's getting a title shot automatically na.
Everyone called their shots in that segment to challenge for the title.
It naturally means a contender match or battle royal will be setup in the future.

If all the WWE fans who watch raw and smackdown watch AEW then why is AEW ratings below a million? It hovers around the 600k range struggling with NXT, a development show😏
How many viewers does AEW draw to their YouTube page compared to the fed?
Why is AEW doing shows in smaller venues and giving free tickets/discounts on their shows?
Their cameras no dey show full audience section.

Stephanie had promos in NXT and had a vignette last raw explaining who she was and her journey to WWE but you can't see what you don't watch🤷

they've mentioned NJPW and AEW before, besides if she's reknown or hot, we deserve an explanation. Not every fan is us that are aware.

If she isn't getting a title shot then how come she says she's the next champ? What kind of system do they operate? Again, more logic holes.😄
Battle Royale; you don't know that.

It's below a million because they're not dedicated watchers, they aren't fans. But they watch. They are aware. Even if it's just the short clips on YouTube, they watch. AEW isn't invisible, WWE fans acknowledge their existence.

Their last show was sold out though. Their picking momentum.

I don't need to watch the show to see Cody promos online, but it isn't same for Steph. I guess I have to go the dark web to find some.

samistry:
Oga Valee, please tell me how you would book your ideal wrestling company because you seem to have everything figured out.
It's easy to be a critic like Jamie Carragher but you sabi coach?

funny enough, I'm not even an expert. I'm just a fan who found the truth and who has the guts to acknowledge it.

Take the red pill or the blue pill.

The blue pill makes you believe wrestling is completely real while the red pill tells you the actual truth of it.

samistry:

The fact NXT isn't referring to her as Mariah May means they are changing her name. It's similar to what they did with Ricky Starks when he debuted. It wasn't until he signed the contract live on air that they filed a trademark on his new name a day later .
https://www.wrestlezone.com/news/1543415-wwe-applies-to-trademark-ricky-saints.

Wrestling lost the huge boom it used to have in the 90s due folks finding out is fake, rise of reality shows and the ufc. However, folks continue to watch it as seem from profits from sponsorship , merchandise, ppv buys and TV deals. Go look at WWE expensive ticket prices since TKO acquired them. AEW also got a good TV deal from WB.

As regards WWE folks not knowing Mariah May.
I can't tell if you're being mischievous or not?
Isn't it the job of a commentator and the company overall to know a new member of their roster? especially one who was champion from a rival promotion.
That NXT show was run at the performance centre hence she debuted in front of the most smarkiest of wwe fans. Nxt fans aren't casuals in the least, they are aware of everything that goes on in wrestling.

Raw and Smackdown tour around the country, their audience is mostly made up of casual fans and families. We've seen plenty of times when CM Punk refers to something in AEW and the audience at RAW stay quiet because they don't understand the reference.
Its also same reason why a wrestler like Michin or Pete Dunn come out to crickets sounds on the main roster but are heavily cheered and booed on NXT.

AEW tours like Raw and Smackdown but their product appeals more to smarks than casual fans. It's why they don't air vignettes on their new gs.They expect you to know them already.
The casual audience aren't on twitter or Internet forums browsing wrestling topics.
It's also why AEW TV ratings compares with NXT and not main roster as its mostly similar smark audience.

Let's also not forget that most of the tribalism is limit to IWC marks. A lot of these wrestlers have trained together or met multiple times in the indie circuit so they know each other on a professional or personal level.

ValeeLove:
Take the red pill or the blue pill.

The blue pill makes you believe wrestling is completely real while the red pill tells you the actual truth of it.

Bro, everyone over 10 years old knows wrestling is staged.

ValeeLove:
they've mentioned NJPW and AEW before, besides if she's reknown or hot, we deserve an explanation. Not every fan is us that are aware.

If she isn't getting a title shot then how come she says she's the next champ? What kind of system do they operate? Again, more logic holes.😄
Battle Royale; you don't know that.

It's below a million because they're not dedicated watchers, they aren't fans. But they watch. They are aware. Even if it's just the short clips on YouTube, they watch. AEW isn't invisible, WWE fans acknowledge their existence.

Their last show was sold out though. Their picking momentum.

I don't need to watch the show to see Cody promos online, but it isn't same for Steph. I guess I have to go the dark web to find some.

Njpw isn't a direct competitor with em.
When last was AEW mentioned on WWE programming and vice versa?

I don't know why you're wilfully obtuse about Mariah declaring her intentions to be NXT champ.
As I've said it again, there will be a contendership or battle royale match later in time.
MARIAH MAY ISN'T GETTING AN AUTOMATIC TITLE MATCH.
She hasn't been declared as number one contender yet you dn dey talk about logic holes.
No dey find fault with wetin no loss.

It's below a million because the fans don't watch isn't an excuse. They are vocal on twitter so they should put their money where their mouth is and watch the show.
If the WWE fans are watching the shows then why aren't AEW segments doing wwe numbers?
They do NXT numbers because Na diehards smarks be bulk of their viewers.

You didn't see the Stephanie segment and I pointed last raw to you. You no fit even counter my argument. Stay there dey find online clips.

Coolname:


Let's also not forget that most of the tribalism is limit to IWC marks. A lot of these wrestlers have trained together or met multiple times in the indie circuit so they know each other on a professional or personal level.

Exactly

See the sold out stadium Oga vaLIE wan use whine me. What happened to the people on this row, were they raptured to heaven by the 5star Will Ospreay match?

How dare he says that?! It is a logic hole because he automatically becomes a finalist for the world Cup and ucl

Coolname:


Bro, everyone over 10 years old knows wrestling is staged.

I know, but which would you prefer?

Samistry2:
How dare he says that?! It is a logic hole because he automatically becomes a finalist for the world Cup and ucl

"I want to" is different from "I'm the next". Now you can say you're the next if you're no 1 contender or if you're fighting in a no 1 contender match. But if you just came in, how do you know you're the next? How do you know there's a Battle Royale? I'm genuinely asking cos I don't watch.

samistry:
See the sold out stadium Oga vaLIE wan use whine me. What happened to the people on this row, were they raptured to heaven by the 5star Will Ospreay match?

their last Dynamite, that's what I said. Regardless, I'm surprised DON wasn't sold out. Let me Google that.

samistry:

Njpw isn't a direct competitor with em.
When last was AEW mentioned on WWE programming and vice versa?

I don't know why you're wilfully obtuse about Mariah declaring her intentions to be NXT champ.
As I've said it again, there will be a contendership or battle royale match later in time.
MARIAH MAY ISN'T GETTING AN AUTOMATIC TITLE MATCH.
She hasn't been declared as number one contender yet you dn dey talk about logic holes.
No dey find fault with wetin no loss.

It's below a million because the fans don't watch isn't an excuse. They are vocal on twitter so they should put their money where their mouth is and watch the show.
If the WWE fans are watching the shows then why aren't AEW segments doing wwe numbers?
They do NXT numbers because Na diehards smarks be bulk of their viewers.

You didn't see the Stephanie segment and I pointed last raw to you. You no fit even counter my argument. Stay there dey find online clips.

fine, don't mention any company, but at least give us a proper background so we can how "hot" a free agent she is or how "reknown" she is. I think that solves it.

Whether smarks o, marks o, hardcore o, they watch. The can't deny it. Of course it's not everyone but pretending they don't know AEW exists is laughable. Since you want to talk about ratings, don't forget to add Max.

Bro, search Steph Vaquer promo on YouTube and tell me what you see. I've been doing that since morning, nothing major. Maybe it wasn't that good.

ValeeLove:
"I want to" is different from "I'm the next". Now you can say you're the next if you're no 1 contender or if you're fighting in a no 1 contender match. But if you just came in, how do you know you're the next? How do you know there's a Battle Royale? I'm genuinely asking cos I don't watch.

If you believe in yourself there's no wrong in stating you're the next champ. I don't see the harm there.
I said there will either be a contendership match or battle Royale match.
I used the battle royale due to precedence. That last number one contender for the men NXT title, Miles Borne won it that way.

ValeeLove:
fine, don't mention any company, but at least give us a proper background so we can how "hot" a free agent she is or how "reknown" she is. I think that solves it.

Whether smarks o, marks o, hardcore o, they watch. The can't deny it. Of course it's not everyone but pretending they don't know AEW exists is laughable. Since you want to talk about ratings, don't forget to add Max.

Bro, search Steph Vaquer promo on YouTube and tell me what you see. I've been doing that since morning, nothing major. Maybe it wasn't that good.

You think all segments of their show makes it to youtube? You'll see her match there.
Why should I do your job for you? Na you no say you no dey watch.
You don't help your opponents find points for their argument as a lawyer which I'm not by the way😉
https://x.com/WWE/status/1929696140464734350

Valee, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Penta botch that almost killed Chad Gable.

Samistry2:
Valee, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Penta botch that almost killed Chad Gable.

That Penta botch is the reason so many of them have to go through NXT

Samistry2:

You think all segments of their show makes it to youtube? You'll see her match there.
Why should I do your job for you? Na you no say you no dey watch.
You don't help your opponents find points for their argument as a lawyer which I'm not by the way😉
https://x.com/WWE/status/1929696140464734350

you know what, forget vingnettes, I'll wait till she does a solid interview and I'm sure it'll make it's way online.

Samistry2:
Valee, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the Penta botch that almost killed Chad Gable.

cos I don't watch. You think I'm lying?

Samistry2:

If you believe in yourself there's no wrong in stating you're the next champ. I don't see the harm there.
I said there will either be a contendership match or battle Royale match.
I used the battle royale due to precedence. That last number one contender for the men NXT title, Miles Borne won it that way.

since you're not sure, let's talk facts then. Fact is that she just debuted, meaning a title shot should completely be away from her mind right now. Fact it was either it was blunder from her part or management doesn't have proper planning. How would they tease a contender's match so carelessly without announcing it first, just in case that's what we're dealing with here.
She could have said "I'll beat you sooner than later" or "when we eventually square off I'll beat you", rather she said "I'm the next champion." To me it's typical WWE. They do weird things like that regularly. We just finished talking about them spoiling a world title match intentionally. I'll continue talking about this as much as I can. Wrestling can make sense again. It can be fun and exciting and people can enjoy it again. But these little things must be corrected.

samistry:

AEW fans want their favourite company to grow but gatekeep new fans away from it.
People are allowed to critic WWE but say one word about AEW and their rabid fanbase will be all over you online.
You can't grow if you don't accept critcisms

bro I'm online, WWE fans are by far more toxic. Criticize the product and they don't mind coming to your DM to tell you all sort of nasty things.

Zoey Stark has announced her retirement.
She can't wrestle again😪😔

ValeeLove:
bro I'm online, WWE fans are by far more toxic. Criticize the product and they don't mind coming to your DM to tell you all sort of nasty things.

I've seen wwe fans complain about the outrageous ticket prices, R-truth getting released, the mania build for Cody vs cena, Travis Scott interference, bad entrance theme.
Try am with AEW see if them no attack you.
Go on reddit and complain, you'll get banned.

They go after podcasters who criticise them. Stevie Richards, Bully Ray, Jim cornette, Nash.
Jim has become a boogeyman for AEW fans even though he criticises both companies.

pu7pl3:
Zoey Stark has announced her retirement.
She can't wrestle again😪😔

Chai😢