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Janosky:


Continue WAILING and deceiving yourself.
Who added "OTHER" @ Luke 13:2?
Who added "Himself God" @ John 1:18?
Who added hell @ Mark 9:43-48?

To quote Emusan insulting words, your fellow Trinitarians are "brainwashed" & fraudulent."

You point one accusing finger @ JW's, the other four fingers accused your fellow Trinitarians.
Your bad belle & High PB nah follow come.

If your brain is not paining you and full of dust, you should know that, the fact remains that Watchtower did what those Trinitarians did.

Do you agree with those Trinitarians what they did?

Let see how your hypocrisy mouth will sound this time?

Janosky:
1.
[b]Therefore, Jehovah created Jesus, according to Emusan logic for 1 Corinthians 3:23.

My logis is that, a creature can never be the Creator.

The evidence from the scripture which you also agreed with is that Jehovah used Jesus to create the UNIVERSE which includes ALL THE ANGELS i.e Michael

Jesus is the Creator the UNIVERSE according to JaNosense.

2. According to Emusan's logic for 1 Corinthians 3:23, Therefore,Jesus is archangel Michael, first born higher in rank than other angels.

You can't force what is not in the scripture into it.

The evidence from the scripture is that WITHOUT JESUS NOTHING WAS CREATED.

So Jesus can't be a creature when without Him NOTHING was CREATED.

Reason why your lying organization added that dubious word "OTHER" to pervert their translation.

No scripture ever says Jesus is the Michael but scripture do say Jesus is the Creator and SUSTAINER OF the UNIVERSE.

In simple language, the Army Commander @ Joshua 5:13-14 is an angel of higher rank.
Is the Army Commander a soldier?
Yes,he commands other soldiers.
Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.[/b]

The reason why God inspired Paul to pen down Col 1:15-18 was because people like Watchtower had already corrupting the teaching of Jesus and trying to undermine the Glory of our Savior and God Jesus.

But God has to set the record straight through Paul.

Jesus was never equate to an Angel because He created ALL THE ANGELS.

Grok has message for you down there

Emusan:


My logis is that, a creature can never be the Creator.

The evidence from the scripture which you also agreed with is that Jehovah used Jesus to create the UNIVERSE which includes ALL THE ANGELS i.e Michael

Jesus is the Creator the UNIVERSE according to JaNosense.



You can't force what is not in the scripture into it.

The evidence from the scripture is that WITHOUT JESUS NOTHING WAS CREATED.

So Jesus can't be a creature when without Him NOTHING was CREATED.

Reason why your lying organization added that dubious word "OTHER" to pervert their translation.

No scripture ever says Jesus is the Michael but scripture do say Jesus is the Creator and SUSTAINER OF the UNIVERSE.



The reason why God inspired Paul to pen down Col 1:15-18 was because people like Watchtower had already corrupting the teaching of Jesus and trying to undermine the Glory of our Savior and God Jesus.

But God has to set the record straight through Paul.

Jesus was never equate to an Angel because He created ALL THE ANGELS.

Grok has message for you down there

Do you agree with the diagram below?

Truthseeker10:

Do you agree with the diagram below?

Yes!

Emusan:


Yes!

So If the the diagram clearly states that God is the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit, How can the Word Who is God be with God according to John 1:1?

Janosky:


Go delete Isaiah 6:8 & John 3:16 from your Bible.
You have deleted it from your heart.

Jehovah God can NOT, does NOT go on errands.
Rather Jehovah sends his angels, servants, prophets to go on errands.

Nawa for you o. So who is the Angel of the Lord?

Janosky:


Go delete Isaiah 6:8 & John 3:16 from your Bible.
You have deleted it from your heart.

Jehovah God can NOT, does NOT go on errands.
Rather Jehovah sends his angels, servants, prophets to go on errands.

Janosky's incapable God can't do anything on his own!!!

He needs to send someone or something 😂😂😂to do it for him!!! 😂😂😂

Truthseeker10:

So If the the diagram clearly states that God is the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit, How can the Word Who is God be with God according to John 1:1?

I love this but don't run whenever I throw my own question to you or try to play hide and seek.

The word "God" is a generic word just like the word "Man."

Which can be used for both male and female.

For instance, in the of creation in Genesis, we read the followings:

1. Let Us make man in Our image...
2. let them...
3. So God created man in His own...
4. He created him; male and female He created them.

If you read Genesis 2 you'll notice how the word MAN was used for the male Adam and interchangeably used for both male and female ADAM.

, the female didn't get her name EVE not until after the fall

Now let's use this analogy to explain John 1:1, 1 John 1:2.

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was MAN.

It will be a grammatical error to say

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was a man

In line of this, as Genesis uses man for both first male & female, every right thinking person knows the first expression is correct as "...the woman was MAN" is about NATURE not gender or something else.

But the second expression "...the woman was a man" shows the woman is a male gender or something else not about NATURE.

So where "...the word was with God" in John 1:1 or "The eternal life was with the Father" in 1 John 1:2 show the word IS GOD by nature not another person.

Emusan:


I love this but don't run whenever I throw my own question to you or try to play hide and seek.

The word "God" is a generic word just like the word "Man."

Which can be used for both male and female.

For instance, in the of creation in Genesis, we read the followings:

1. Let Us make man in Our image...
2. let them...
3. So God created man in His own...
4. He created him; male and female He created them.

If you read Genesis 2 you'll notice how the word MAN was used for the male Adam and interchangeably used for both male and female ADAM.

, the female didn't get her name EVE not until after the fall

Now let's use this analogy to explain John 1:1, 1 John 1:2.

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was MAN.

It will be a grammatical error to say

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was a man

In line of this, as Genesis uses man for both first male & female, every right thinking person knows the first expression is correct as "...the woman was MAN" is about NATURE not gender or something else.

But the second expression "...the woman was a man" shows the woman is a male gender or something else not about NATURE.

So where "...the word was with God" in John 1:1 shows the word IS GOD by nature not another person.

So according to the Diagram, is the word "God" Generic or the word "God" is The Father, The son and The Holy Spirit?

Truthseeker10:

So according to the Diagram, is the word "God" Generic or the word "God" is The Father, The son and The Holy Spirit?

The word God is Generic which means the THREE ARE GOD BY NATURE.

Do you understand why The Word was with God in the first place?

Emusan:


I love this but don't run whenever I throw my own question to you or try to play hide and seek.

The word "God" is a generic word just like the word "Man."

Which can be used for both male and female.

For instance, in the of creation in Genesis, we read the followings:

1. Let Us make man in Our image...
2. let them...
3. So God created man in His own...
4. He created him; male and female He created them.

If you read Genesis 2 you'll notice how the word MAN was used the male Adam and interchangeably used for both male and female.

Now let's use this analogy to explain John 1:1, 1 John 1:2.

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was MAN.

It will be a grammatical error to say

In the garden was the woman, the woman was with the man, and the woman was a man

In line of this, as Genesis uses man for both first male & female, every right thinking person knows the first expression is correct as "...the woman was MAN" is about NATURE not gender or something else.

But the second expression "...the woman was a man" shows the woman is a male gender or something else not about NATURE.

So where "...the word was with God" in John 1:1 shows the word IS GOD by nature not another person.

Don't bother with that fool he is intellectually dishonest.
I made him agree to a logical contract before a discussion, the fool broke it off.
That's to show you the integrity and dignity of JW.

He knows he can't win, they all know.
hence he hides under aristotelian inquiries.

Agree to engagement rules beforehand 😁 and see for yourself, how he will break it!!!

Sand2022:

So who is the Angel of the Lord?

Ask the OP nah!
Àbí nah Jehovah's Witnesses infuse what he typed in his head?

MaxInDHouse:

Ask the OP nah!
Àbí nah Jehovah's Witnesses infuse what he typed in his head?

Why does the expression "The Angel of the Lord/Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah/Lord" never used by Watchtower in their translation NWT?

Emusan:


The word God is Generic which means the THREE ARE GOD BY NATURE.

Do you understand why The Word was with God in the first place?

Does not The diagram clearly shows that Three persons share one nature in the middle which is called "God" And that one nature "God" is shared by three persons? So How can The Word(person) be God(nature) and be with God(nature)?

You didn't answer my question!

Do that first.

Truthseeker10:
Does not The diagram clearly shows that Three persons share one nature in the middle which is called "God" And that one nature "God" is shared by three persons? So How can The Word(person) be God(nature) and be with God(nature)?

Emusan:

Why does the expression "The Angel of the Lord/Jehovah or an Angel of Jehovah/Lord" never used by Watchtower in their translation NWT?

Because we know that God is not an angel so it must be Jesus!

MaxInDHouse:
Because we know that God is not an angel so it must be Jesus!

Which means, reading NWT ONLY no distinction among the angels can be established.

I love that.

Emusan:
You didn't answer my question!

Do that first.

I don't know the answer to your Question because you are still helping me to define what "God" is according to the diagram that i showed you in which you agreed that it was correct.

Does not The diagram clearly shows that Three persons share one nature in the middle which is called "God" And that one nature "God" is shared by three persons? So How can The Word(person) be God(nature) and be with God(nature)?

Truthseeker10:
I don't know the answer to your Question because you are still helping me to define what "God" is according to the diagram that i showed you in which you agreed that it was correct.

But which one is more accurate.

The woman was MAN or the woman was a MAN?

Does not The diagram clearly shows that Three persons share one nature in the middle which is called "God" And that one nature "God" is shared by three persons? So How can The Word(person) be God(nature) and be with God(nature)?

The Word(person) can be with God because God here is a person too.

Just like the woman(person) who shares the same NATURE with the male is also with MAN, man here is a person.

Emusan:

Which means, reading NWT ONLY no distinction among the angels can be established.
I love that.

Only one angel represents God anytime the Bible mentions one angel standing in behalf of God's people!

MaxInDHouse:
Only one angel represents God anytime the Bible mentions one angel standing in behalf of God's people!

Show me how this angel was addressed and can be identified in your NWT

Emusan:


But which one is more accurate.

The woman was MAN or the woman was a MAN?

I don't know because your explanation is not yet clear.

The Word(person) can be with God because God here is a person too.

Just like the woman(person) who share the same NATURE with the male is also with MAN, man here is a person.

Does John 1:1 mention another person apart from The Word(person) Who is God(nature)?

MaxInDHouse:


Only one angel represents God anytime the Bible mentions one angel standing in behalf of God's people!

Fallacious at best🤤.
I can argue that the angel that killed about 185,000 men in one night stood on behalf of God's people😂😂😂.

Who knows that might have been Raphael? 👀
Or perhaps Uriel😂😂😂.

I can argue the angel that stood on behalf of God when tyrants blasphemed his name was also an Archangel😂😂😂!

The bible is filled with people God uses!!!
Technically 🤔 standing on behalf of God!!!
They could be men, angels or even spirit of trees😂😂😂.

Bloody fools!!!

Truthseeker10:
I don't know because your explanation is not yet clear.

The word MAN is a generic word which means both MALE & FEMALE can be called MAN.

In the garden, the woman was with man, and the woman was also CALLED MAN.

Do you agree?

Here, do you think the word MAN used here is about NATURE or just one INDIVIDUAL PERSON?

Does John 1:1 mention another person apart from The Word(person) Who is God(nature)?

Yes! "The God" whom The Word was with is a PERSON.

Emusan:

Show me how this angel was addressed and can be identified in your NWT

Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night. Exodus 13:21

Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them. Exodus 14:19

Go now, lead the people to the place about which I have spoken to you. Look! My angel will go ahead of you, and on the day when I make an ing, I will bring punishment on them for their sin.” Exodus 32:34

He said: “Look! I see four men walking about free in the midst of the fire, and they are unharmed, and the fourth one looks like a son of the gods.” Daniel 3:25

“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:1-2

Only one angel has been representing Jehovah and Daniel said it's the Archangel whose voice will raise the dead! Daniel 12:2 compare to John 5:28-29; 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Gabrielshow24:

Fallacious at best🤤.
I can argue that the angel that killed about 185,000 men in one night stood on behalf of God's people😂😂😂.

Who knows that might have been Raphael? 👀
Or perhaps Uriel

I can argue the angel that stood on behalf of God when tyrants blasphemed his name was also an Archangel😂😂😂!

The bible is filled with people God uses!!!
Technically 🤔 standing on behalf of God!!!
They could be men, angels or even spirit of trees😂😂😂.

Bloody fools!!!

Raphael and Uriel are DEMONS!

God gave us only two names Michael and Gabriel!

Emusan:


The word MAN is a generic word which means both MALE & FEMALE can be called MAN.

In the garden, the woman was with man, and the woman was also CALLED MAN.

Do you agree?

Here, do you think the word MAN used here is about NATURE or just one INDIVIDUAL PERSON?

According to what I understand above.
MAN= nature.
man=person.

MAN= male and female.
man is not = male and female.

man=Adam
woman=Eve

So MAN is nature not an individual person.....but refers to both male and female.

Yes! The God who The Word was with is a PERSON.

According to the diagram, God is the Father, The son and the Holy Spirit. John 1:1 mention The word(person) Who is God(nature). Can you bring out the other person mentioned in John 1:1?

MaxInDHouse:


Raphael and Uriel are DEMONS!

God gave us only two names Michael and Gabriel!

Ohhh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thus as a rule of thumb, there are only two angels!!! 😂😂😂

MaxInDHouse:
Now Jehovah was going ahead of them by day in a pillar of cloud to lead them along the way, and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day and by night. Exodus 13:21

Then the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to their rear, and the pillar of cloud that was in front of them moved to the rear and stood behind them. Exodus 14:19

Go now, lead the people to the place about which I have spoken to you. Look! My angel will go ahead of you, and on the day when I make an ing, I will bring punishment on them for their sin.” Exodus 32:34

He said: “Look! I see four men walking about free in the midst of the fire, and they are unharmed, and the fourth one looks like a son of the gods.” Daniel 3:25

“During that time Miʹcha·el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. And many of those asleep in the dust of the earth will wake up, some to everlasting life and others to reproach and to everlasting contempt. Daniel 12:1-2

Only one angel has been representing Jehovah and Daniel said it's the Archangel whose voice will raise the dead! Daniel 12:2 compare to John 5:28-29; 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Your first lie is you saying "ONLY one angel has been REPRESENTING Jehovah"

In all verses you quoted no Angel was mentioned to have represented Jehovah.

The closest one is where "MY ANGEL..." was used which could mean ANY ANGEL of God among the legions of Angels.

So, reading NWT no can can accurately say there's ONLY ONE ANGEL representing God because many Angels were mentioned in the Bible that actually delivered God's message.

Gabrielshow24:

Ohhh🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thus as a rule of thumb, there are only two angels!!! 😂😂😂

God only revealed two names Michael and Gabriel even though the Bible said they are many of them in heaven!

MaxInDHouse:

God only revealed two names Michael and Gabriel even though the Bible said they are many of them in heaven!

Why then do you say Uriel and Raphael are demons? 🤔🤔🤔
You're arguing from silence🤭

Explain let's know🙃

Emusan:


Your first lie is you saying "ONLY one angel has been REPRESENTING Jehovah"

In all verses you quoted no Angel was mentioned to have represented Jehovah.

The closest one is where "MY ANGEL..." was used which could mean ANY ANGEL of God among the legions of Angels.

So, reading NWT no can can accurately say there's ONLY ONE ANGEL representing God because many Angels were mentioned in the Bible that actually delivered God's message.

Exodus 13:21 says Jehovah himself was leading the Israelites but it was Chapter 14:19 that reveals its an angel REPRESENTING Jehovah!